It really depends on the level of special needs this child has. I'm all for helping them integrate with the class and have another child as an aide if they are a minor case. Someone brought up tourettes, I had a friend in school who had tourettes, had shrugs and twitches, but he functioned okay otherwise (no worse than the rest of us). But I've been in another class with a kid who should have got an aide and it was a constant disruption to the class, one time he stabbed another kids hand with a pencil, he would scream and yell, and once he tried to throw his desk at the teacher, there was a daily occurrence. Depending on the level of disruption there are different courses of action needed. Without knowing more about the OP situation its impossible to say what should be done.
This is NOT CBE policy, it is the Catholic system policy. The CBE has MANY programs for special needs children. I have taught in 4 special needs settings over the past 9 years and love every minute of it!
Someone brought up tourettes, I had a friend in school who had tourettes, had shrugs and twitches, but he functioned okay otherwise (no worse than the rest of us). But I've been in another class with a kid .....
Yep, that was me. Gotta feel for them and wonder how some of them with the verbal tics get through life without getting multiple beatings.
Check this out at the 3:30 mark. A bunch of Brit kids with Tourettes go to Chicago for the day.
Sorry you are wrong. I work with special needs children and EVERY DAY in our meetings with hospital staff, psychologists, psyciatrists they use the words mentally ######ed. It even goes in their hospital, academic file as "mentally ######ed. I, like you do not like it, but it is used every day in the professional word IN CANADA!
Put me in the group that thinks they should be in a separate class for the benefit of both parties.
Anyways, if this kid is as "retarted" as you say, its probably only a matter of time before the kid is held back a year and gone from your friends daughters year.
C'mon are you serious!! We are going to hold your son/daughter back a year because they learn differently. Where did you get your educaion from? Your thread is a joke...
I say the smartest kid in the class should be the aide. Friendship and respect go a longer way than segregation and labeling.
Sorry I seriously disagree with this. Just because a child is smart certainly doesn't mean they have the skills to deal with a situation like this. Having respect for that student in your class is quite different from being expected to know how to deal with them. This situation is for a professional to handle with the child in question.
Sorry I seriously disagree with this. Just because a child is smart certainly doesn't mean they have the skills to deal with a situation like this. Having respect for that student in your class is quite different from being expected to know how to deal with them. This situation is for a professional to handle with the child in question.
I could have been a little more clear in that post. I wouldn't suggest replacing an aide with a student, but I am suggesting that in appropriate circumstances it is worth considering having another student act as a tutor or mentor on the subject at hand (ie. math) for set times.
I cannot accept the argument that it would stagnate the student who is the tutor, as they are now having the opporotunity to develop interpersonal, tolerance, and leadership skills. But I guess they don't count because they're not measurable by any curriculum and so are much less important.
And its not like they wouldn't be supervised.
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Hey ruddstud, I'd keep a check on the personal attacks, eh.
I wasn't criticizing, just stating the obvious. Would you want a parent sending things to school that could potentially harm your child? In fact he stated that he would still send something that would harm our children even if he knew it was ILLEGAL to send. And yes it is ILLEGAL to knowingly send peanut butter (perfume, mangos, etc) if its been disclosed and you willingly put that student in harms way. This guy is willing to harm children...... how is this criticizing....?
If you want a serious decision and credibility, you need to quit being self-centered and catch up with the times where the proper term for these individuals is mentally challanged.
Mentally ######ed is actually the proper term for it, at least for psychologists, as per the DSM.
Maybe it's time to change that, but for the moment, he's not wrong.
I just don't get how people can weigh their right to enjoy a tasty peanut butter sandwich as more important than being a human being and doing their best to not endanger the health/life of another person.
Come on, people. We're all in this together. Save the peanut butter sandwiches for the weekend. Would you rather that your kid's lunch kill another kid with anaphalactic shock? Imagine the kind of guilt that kid might have to deal with because their tasty sandwich was responsible for the death of one of their classmates...
I think you're missing the point here. I'm not saying we should let these people die. I'm saying they should have to deal with it by eating in a seperate area etc. There are enough of them anyways that they'll be fine.
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Some people are too self centered to think like that..
This is so stupid a comment I hardly want to comment but I will. See my comment above. This has nothing to do with me being self centered it has to do with inconvenience hundreds if not thousands of people so one person can have their way. I'm not saying we should let them die of allergic reactions only that the onus should be on them to ensure their safety/comfort.
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If you want a serious decision and credibility, you need to quit being self-centered and catch up with the times where the proper term for these individuals is mentally challanged. I know many people that have assocation with mentally challenged people and the term is very offensive. It's on par with using certain words for race, gender, religion etc. If it's offensive to them, then it's not something that I'll use personally. It's a respect thing where no one should be treated differently because they're different.
Right. And I'm not allowed to call black people black and crippled people crippled and I can't call a flight attendant a stewardess. Or maybe we should call manhole covers person hole covers to be PC.
Why is ######ed even offensive other than someone said it is? to me it has no other meaning than to be mentally challenged. So get off your high horse and stop comparing calling someone ######ed to calling them a n***er.
I could have been a little more clear in that post. I wouldn't suggest replacing an aide with a student, but I am suggesting that in appropriate circumstances it is worth considering having another student act as a tutor or mentor on the subject at hand (ie. math) for set times.
I cannot accept the argument that it would stagnate the student who is the tutor, as they are now having the opporotunity to develop interpersonal, tolerance, and leadership skills. But I guess they don't count because they're not measurable by any curriculum and so are much less important.
And its not like they wouldn't be supervised.
Maybe it's me not being clear. I did not say anything about stagnating the student who is tutoring. I'm saying, since I believe this is an elementary situation, that very few kids that age would have the maturity level to know how to cope with being in that position. You really think a kid in grade 5 or even grade 8, should be a replacement as an "aide" to a mentally challenged child? As I think I said, that is a far different thing than accepting and being respectful of having the child in their class in the first place. That's too much to put on the shoulders of one his peers.
Integration is a good thing. I always had 1 or 2 mentally challanged kids in the class. I do not believe for a second that the kid in question education is suffering as a result of teacher not being able to spend individual time with the student.
If a teacher as 30 students in a class over the course of a 5 hour day and say is teaching the entire class for half of that time the amount of individual attention per student is 5 minutes per day. Even if that time is cut in half it shouldn't make a difference.
It is also grade 4 if you cant learn to Handwrite and do a little math without the teacher holding your hand you are in trouble and rather then complain to the principle they should help their child with their homework. Of all the things this child could learn in grade 4 learning that other people have different needs and how to deal with disruptive situations if probably a far greater lesson then the extra 2.5 minutes a day of one on one time with the teacher.
You highlighted my next paragraph and responded with this:
So did you actually read my post.
And again, sorry for not being as clear as I could.
Well that being said...when I was in 8th grade I was exempt from physically attending social studies class twice a week to tutor "mentally challenged " kids. I managed to get As in that class through independent study. In any case I think it helped the students and myself Some of the students were more willing to listen to me than a teacher and I consider it an extremely valuable experience.
C'mon are you serious!! We are going to hold your son/daughter back a year because they learn differently. Where did you get your educaion from? Your thread is a joke...
Yes I'm serious, and you need to be realistic. The reason they are referred to as "mentally handicapped" or "mentally ######ed", is because they are. Spin their deficiency any way you like (learn differently? pfft), but they still have a genuine handicap. The sooner you recognize this, then the sooner you can address their needs appropriately, rather than living in a world of denial.
While prematurely advancing a failing student into the next year may assuage parent anxiety/shame, it does a serious disservice to the actual student. Holding a student back so that they can learn properly, and at their own pace, is never the wrong thing to do.
And it seems like your "educaion" is the real joke...
Yes I'm serious, and you need to be realistic. The reason they are referred to as "mentally handicapped" or "mentally ######ed", is because they are. Spin their deficiency any way you like (learn differently? pfft), but they still have a genuine handicap. The sooner you recognize this, then the sooner you can address their needs appropriately, rather than living in a world of denial.
While prematurely advancing a failing student into the next year may assuage parent anxiety/shame, it does a serious disservice to the actual student. Holding a student back so that they can learn properly, and at their own pace, is never the wrong thing to do.
And it seems like your "educaion" is the real joke...
Let me EDUCATE YOU on the CBE. Go to their website and look at their special programs: PLP, L and L, K and E, Access.... Lets hold a special needs back for a few years so they can learn how to add... HAHA. DO some research before you write out your thoughts. Were you held back??
Let me EDUCATE YOU on the CBE. Go to their website and look at their special programs: PLP, L and L, K and E, Access.... Lets hold a special needs back for a few years so they can learn how to add... HAHA. DO some research before you write out your thoughts. Were you held back??
How do you learn properly? Ever heard of Multiple Intelligences? Look it up, you might learn something about yourself.
