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Old 08-19-2004, 08:14 AM   #1
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For the tech savvy and just plain nerdy people in the crowd, quantum teleportation has been achieved, which may allow for ultra-fast super computers in the future.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3576594.stm

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Old 08-19-2004, 08:43 AM   #2
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Does this mean the communication went throught the cable under ground or throught some towers?
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Old 08-19-2004, 08:51 AM   #3
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Still can't beam me up though :angry:
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Old 08-19-2004, 08:56 AM   #4
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qubits, photons, quantum states....

Anyone care to dumb it down for those of us that don't have a clue what they're talking about?

Does this mean sometime in the near future I can teleport my neighbours cat to Vietnam????
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Old 08-19-2004, 09:02 AM   #5
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Originally posted by plett22@Aug 19 2004, 08:56 AM
qubits, photons, quantum states....

Anyone care to dumb it down for those of us that don't have a clue what they're talking about?

Does this mean sometime in the near future I can teleport my neighbours cat to Vietnam????
No.. from what I gathered it's more about the transmission of information digitally encoded into these "qubits" rather than physical particles..
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Old 08-19-2004, 09:50 AM   #6
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I am not sure I understand this stuff either. The claim is it is done without a physical link, but then what the heck is the fibre optic cable doing?

How does this have potential for faster computing? Is this a more feasible alternative to superconductors?

... and nevermind the "beam me up". I just want a replicator to make me nachos on command... I would take any synthetic crap from a machine over my mother-in-laws cooking any day. :wacko:
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Old 08-19-2004, 11:35 AM   #7
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Alright let me give this a try...

Quantum entanglement is when the quantum state of two or more objects (photons in this case) are linked in such a way that observations on the quantum state of one affects the quantum state of the other, regardless of physical seperation and that the changes occur instantly regardless of distance (no regard for the speed of light).

When a photon passes through matter (like a crystal for example), it will be absorbed by an electron. Eventually the electron will spontaneously return to its ground state by emitting the photon. Sometimes the photon will instantly decay into two photons with a lower wavelength (and lower energy, energy can't be created). This photon pair is considered entangled.

Because of quantum mechanics, one photon will be horizontally polarized and the other vertically, though we have no way of knowing which one is which. And actually until observed both photons have both polarizations.

If we place a polarization filter in front of one of the photons, it may or may not pass through. If it does, then the other photon will not because the instant a quantum state (polarization in this case) of the first photon is known the second photon's quantum state is created/decided. So even though we haven't made a direct observation on the second photon we have caused it to collapse out of its state of being in both polarizations at once by simply observing the state of its entangled twin.

So the idea was if I could set up a device so I could take two entangled objects, seperate them, then change the quantum state of one I can detect the quantum state of the other and somehow work out a way to transfer information instantly.

Of course this isn't possible. Relativity states that information cannot be transferred faster than the speed of light, otherwise causality could be violated. Fortunately (so we don't unravel the universe I guess) because of quantum mechanics quantum entanglement is useless for transferring information by itself.

But what they can do is transfer the quantum state (teleport) over the distance with the aid of a classical communication channel (that's the fibre optic cable).

Take our two photons with the unknown polarization again. Alice has one photon, and Bob the other photon. Alice can't know the polarization of her photon, and if she observes it that will force Bob's polarization two become the opposite. But since neither "controls" the polarization no information can be transferred that way.

But, Alice can do some manipulation of her photon with the unknown state and send two bits of information to Bob via the fibre optic cable, and with that Bob can recreate the unknown state of Alice's photon, then measure it. In effect Alice's photon has been teleported to Bob (Alice's unknown state is destroyed in the process, since there is a "no cloning theorem" that forbids the creation of identical copies of an arbitrary unknown quantum state).

Doesn't sound too fancy, but it has big implications in quantum computing and quantum cryptography. In this case it's simply a photon, but a qubit (which can hold a lot of information) could be teleported instantly. In fact they've teleported beryllium ions confined in ion traps.

Quantum computing is exciting because while processors we use now operate in a linear fashion, a quantum computer would operate in parallel. Instead of a bit being a 0 or a 1, a qubit is a 0, a 1, or a 0 AND a 1 at the same time. Since qubits can be in multiple states at once, you could perform logical operations on those multiple states all at the same time.

Think of trying to guess a password. Instead of trying aaaaa, aaaab, aaaac, aaaad... bbbba, bbbbb, bbbbc.. etc etc.. a quantum computer would try aaaaa through zzzzz all at the same time (because the qubits would be storing aaaaa through zzzzz at the same time), and the true password would be detectable instantly.

For lots of good reading (though deep) here's the wiki for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_computer
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Wow, Photon... thanks.

For these experiments, then, I assume that the fiber optic cable carried some photons across the river, while others remained (obviously this experiment wasn't done on single photons, but presumably on beams of light that were somehow entangled). Then once the entangled particles were separated, they demonstrated the "spooky action at a distance"

This sound right?
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Wow, that made some sense, but now I'm totally confused. Oh well - I'll just roll with it once the technology's being used - just use it instead of understanding it
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Wow, thanks Photon, and, umm, by the way, how is it that you chose your Nick anyways?

I am still trying to wrap my head around determining the state of one particle by observing its entangled partner. I seem to remember hearing in high school physics about a particle in a box, and you would change its behavior simply by observing it. Can't remember exactly how that story goes, but this sounds familiar.

What exactly is passed between the two particles when one is observed? Can you lie about your observations and convince the contrary particle to go the other way, like some kind of reverse quantum psychology?
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Old 08-19-2004, 12:30 PM   #11
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For these experiments, then, I assume that the fiber optic cable carried some photons across the river, while others remained (obviously this experiment wasn't done on single photons, but presumably on beams of light that were somehow entangled). Then once the entangled particles were separated, they demonstrated the "spooky action at a distance"

This sound right?
Yeah, that's probably what they did. The Scientific American blurb mentions the fibre optic cable and microwaves through the air, I'd assume the information to facilitate the teleportation was transmitted by microwave.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa...74383414B7F4945
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I am still trying to wrap my head around determining the state of one particle by observing its entangled partner. I seem to remember hearing in high school physics about a particle in a box, and you would change its behavior simply by observing it. Can't remember exactly how that story goes, but this sounds familiar.

What exactly is passed between the two particles when one is observed? Can you lie about your observations and convince the contrary particle to go the other way, like some kind of reverse quantum psychology?
You're probably thinking about Schrodinger's Cat..

There's a box with a cat in it and the lid is closed. Inside the box is a radiation source that gives a particle of radiation maybe once an hour, and a radiation detector hooked up to a device that releases poison if a particle of radiation is detected.

After an hour, while the box is closed, the system is in a state of quantum superposition of both a live cat with no poison released, and a dead cat with poison released. The cat is both 100% alive and 100% dead until observed. The observation causes the system collapses into a single state.

As for what's passed between the particles, nothing.. if it was anything it would be limited by the speed of light and the entanglement wouldn't be instant.. it's a quality of quantum mechanics, a result of the multi-dimensional fabric of vibrating strings that create our space-time.

If you mean what's passed over the microwaves in this case, I'm not sure what would be but it wouldn't be anything meaningfull to an observer.. i.e. you couldn't reproduce it to create multiple copies of the particle. I wouldn't mind seeing the full article in Nature for more details about that part.
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Thanks again Photon, that definitely sounds like what I heard in school. One more question though, which I am sure you can answer...

How is it that anyone came up with the idea of superposition, whether it is with photons, or the neighbour's cat, when only one state can ever be observed? Interesting stuff, nonetheless.
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Old 08-19-2004, 02:06 PM   #14
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Well, that's more of a history of quantum mechanics... Schrodinger's Cat is more of an absurd thought experiment to show the strangeness of quantum mechanics and that there's a difference between quantum sized stuff and big stuff.

How they got there though is a pretty long road, not a single "a ha!" event but more a evolution of obervations and theories along the way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics#History
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Schrodinger

Oh.. god.. no.. I'm having nightmares of second year? AAAAAAAAAHHHH Schrodinger's wave equation in 3 dimentional space using polar coordinates.. help me.. help me
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I especially liked it when you said:

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Doesn't sound too fancy ...
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That's awesome news. What's funny is the guest speaker at my g/f's convocation this year also spoke about quantam processing and it's application to the computer and scientific worlds.
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I like it we can have this kind of discussion on a hockey board.

Well, you guys are having the discussion. Me? I'm sitting here wondering where I can get me a discount pizza right about now.

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Brilliant thread! Well, great thread with some BRILLIANT people talking about it. The depth of this board never ceases to amaze me.
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Old 08-19-2004, 11:25 PM   #20
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Vern's Pizza.. It's like two inches thick in the middle and weighs eight pounds! Can't eat more than two slices before passing out or having a heart attack.

They don't teleport it to you though
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