Five people found dead in Dalhousie

[J pold]

Originally Posted by greyshep

Really, given the magnitude of this event. Is there a good way to be notified of something like this? I dont think a phone call telling you that your kid and his family has all been killed would take any of the sting away.

Well of course you won’t take the sting away nothing ever will

Perhaps it’s just me I would rather have someone call me and tell me about what happened rather than turn on the news and think how awful only to find out that the victims where people that I knew/loved

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by fredr123

And then he ends his lame and misinformed rant with a link to nazisociopaths.org. QED.

I went to that site and I can't even figure out what the angle is.

Anyway, I thought it was interesting... but I didn't say it made a valid point. Although there was a case in BC a few years ago where a man committed suicide and divorce lawyer tactics were seen as part of the reason he went crazy.

[The Goon]

The Herald is now reporting that the father was responsible for the deaths.

Seeing the pictures of the family just makes me feel all the more sad about this.

[J pold]

His picture is on the cover of the Herald today, he looks like a normal guy which by all accounts he was until this incident

It’s scary what some people are capable of

[KevanGuy]

It is hard to really believe our brains can be wired to go off the handle like that. I mean, from all accounts the father seemed fairly normal. Kinda scary to think that in some/most/all (?) of us there is something that could trigger this kind of response.

It is unreal to even think that your brain would allow you to do something like stab your family and (presumably) slit your own wrists. How can the part of the brain that reasons out these kinds of decisions just turn off? Fascinating but very unsettling for sure. Did he sneak up on them? Did he just snap? Ugh, I don't know, I probably shouldn't even be thinking about it.

[Eagle Eye]

I wonder why the 1 year old was harmed? Because she wouldnt remember any of it?

I have two young kids and it is really hard to read a story like this, espically when it is the Father who did it.

[The Goon]

I'm really hoping that they can piece together some sort of profile of the guy that would account for these actions. Obviously things weren't perfect, given his phone call to his parents saying he was about to have a breakdown.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Eagle Eye

I wonder why the 1 year old was harmed? Because she wouldnt remember any of it?

The other way around. So that she would suffer and live with it forever.

Originally Posted by The Goon

I'm really hoping that they can piece together some sort of profile of the guy that would account for these actions. Obviously things weren't perfect, given his phone call to his parents saying he was about to have a breakdown.

I'm sure the police will check everything from email to credit cards to tracing phone calls to stuff at work. Hard to imagine what it could have been.

[KevanGuy]

Originally Posted by Eagle Eye

I wonder why the 1 year old was harmed? Because she wouldnt remember any of it?

Yeah, thats the other part I can't figure out. It is impossible to apply normal logic to someone in a situation like that though. I just cant see his brain saying "Spare her, she won't remember this." or "She never caused any of the problems." I was actually thinking maybe he started to come out of the state he was in before he got to her and killed himself before he did anymore damage? Ugly stuff.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Purely baseless speculation on my part, just trying to wrap my head around what he was thinking.... what if he found out the youngest was not his? It would certainly send a big twisted FU to the biological father.

Again, purely baseless sensationalist thinking, that I am not proud of. The pictures broke my heart, and I truly feel for what their friends and family must be going through right now.

[BuzzardsWife]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Quote from the CTV story:



Yes, poor you . WTF is wrong with some people?

This lady is completely distraught. Her kids knew the children murdered. I don't think she is pitying herself at all. She is obvioulsy concerned about telling her small children that the kids dad killed them. You have to be a parent to understand this.

[OILFAN #81]

I don't want to make any stereotypes or anything but in most cases where things like this happen, it seems the father/male is the one who commits the act. In this case, I honestly thought it was NOT going to be him who did it. How you can kill your wife, your two children ages 3 and 5, and a good friend/tenant is beyond me. I know people are going to say he must have gone through something or must have been dealing with something, but this is no excuse. As bad as it sounds to say he should have just killed himself and not taken it on his family and friend/tenant. I saw his picture in the Herald today and didn't think it was going to be him. What a piece of garbage.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by BuzzardsWife

This lady is completely distraught. Her kids knew the children murdered. I don't think she is pitying herself at all. She is obvioulsy concerned about telling her small children that the kids dad killed them. You have to be a parent to understand this.

Yeah, I meant to retract my comments and got distracted by work. I didn't know she was a firend of the family. It just sounded like she was some random busy-body who wandered over to check out the crime scene.

[Swayze11]

This is scary. My friend lives about 8 houses away from this on the same block.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

I don't want to make any stereotypes or anything but in most cases where things like this happen, it seems the father/male is the one who commits the act.

Wrong. Statistically it's more common for the woman to do this kind of thing (not that this is common). I actually did the research on this a few years ago and had the stats for violent crimes committed against children by parrents. I'll see if I can find them again. There's a definite bias in the media for reporting these kinds of things.

All that being said, I did the research back in 2004 so it might have changed since then.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by troutman

You can bet your bottom dollar that divorce lawyers were actually involved, creating and manipulating conflict by threatening loss of children and perpetual servitude based purely on psychiatric speculation, innuendo and lies OR, on the horizon.

That is entirely speculation, and misguided. Family lawyers are trained to minimize conflict and consider the impact of the process on the welfare of the children. Many cases are resolved in a collaborative format. If couples want to beat each other up in court, it is their choice, but most family lawyers I know would rather avoid an adversarial court battle if possible.

Being a child of divorce, I can say that at least one of the lawyers in my circumstance often did his best to antagonize the situation. I also know where the money my mom wanted to send me and my sister to college with went.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Wrong. Statistically it's more common for the woman to do this kind of thing (not that this is common). I actually did the research on this a few years ago and had the stats for violent crimes committed against children by parrents. I'll see if I can find them again. There's a definite bias in the media for reporting these kinds of things.

All that being said, I did the research back in 2004 so it might have changed since then.

I should retract my statement and have said in high profile murders/murders that get media attention whether it be domestic abuse, random killings, etc.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

I should retract my statement and have said in high profile murders/murders that get media attention whether it be domestic abuse, random killings, etc.

I'd agree with that. It also seems like a lot of women get a free pass from the media and the public when they invoke things like post-partum depression, etc (see the Andrea Yates case in Texas).

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I'd agree with that. It also seems like a lot of women get a free pass from the media and the public when they invoke things like post-partum depression, etc (see the Andrea Yates case in Texas).

^ Totally agree. It was disgusting having to hear about "her condition" and not all the innocent kids she drowned. They make it seem like she's a victim when in fact she is scum.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Purely baseless speculation on my part, just trying to wrap my head around what he was thinking.... what if he found out the youngest was not his? It would certainly send a big twisted FU to the biological father.

Again, purely baseless sensationalist thinking, that I am not proud of. The pictures broke my heart, and I truly feel for what their friends and family must be going through right now.

I think it's normal to speculate like that.

My early theory was that perhaps the father became mixed up in some shady business and as a result, some thugs killed his family (but they didn't know about the baby in another room). Upon entering the home, he became so distraught that he picked up the murder weapon and killed himself because he couldn't live knowing that it was brought on by something he did.

In the end though, it sounds like the simplest answer will be the right one... even if the simplest one is harder to understand.