Alright, this is a little too much from me... (Smoking ban with kids in car)

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Azure

And how many people actually DO reverse their health problems?

Obesity is a GROWING problem in North America. Not a decreasing one.

Smoking is clearly on the decrease though.

I'm confused as i thought we were discussing which is more harmful.

Am i missing something?

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by Dion

All the information is out there but for whatever reason these self centered a holes still choose to smoke in vehicles with children present.

Your right on a lot of levels, and i do agree with you in the fact that it shouldn't be happening. However it isn't someone else's place to tell someone how to live their life in Canada. Maybe in Cuba or China or wherever else it is, but I just cannot fathom how people can get so riled up about this topic when there is so many worse things going on.

I'd much rather see cell phones banned while driving (which is an outright road hazard), stiffer weapons crime punishments and so on. Hell, throw in a cigarette and a kid in the vehicle with that cell phone talker and we've got a homocidal maniac!

[Jayems]

As an ex-smoker, I'm for this. I never smoked in a car with kids in it, hell, I even hid my smokes when passing children on the street so they didn't see me.

Maybe I'm just thinking about the 1-year-old in the back seat who doesn't have to voice to say 'I'm choking.'

I never realized how bad it was sitting in a car with someone smoking until I quit, and had someone light up in one I was in. It is seriously choking. I couldn't breathe...

I couldn't open the passenger window, mind you. That's probably worth noting. But still.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by flamesaresmokin

Your right on a lot of levels, and i do agree with you in the fact that it shouldn't be happening. However it isn't someone else's place to tell someone how to live their life in Canada. Maybe in Cuba or China or wherever else it is, but I just cannot fathom how people can get so riled up about this topic when there is so many worse things going on.

Were talking about children who don't get a say in the matter. Someone has to protect the rights of those children.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Dion

Were talking about children who don't get a say in the matter. Someone has to protect the rights of those children.

Exactly, along with the rights come duties not violate another's rights. Since the child has no choice in the matter, it is a violation of the child's rights to smoke in a confined space with the child.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by flamesaresmokin

Your right on a lot of levels, and i do agree with you in the fact that it shouldn't be happening. However it isn't someone else's place to tell someone how to live their life in Canada. Maybe in Cuba or China or wherever else it is, but I just cannot fathom how people can get so riled up about this topic when there is so many worse things going on.

I'd much rather see cell phones banned while driving (which is an outright road hazard), stiffer weapons crime punishments and so on. Hell, throw in a cigarette and a kid in the vehicle with that cell phone talker and we've got a homocidal maniac!

That's pretty much the role of every government.

It's kinda why laws were created in the first place.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Dion

I'm confused as i thought we were discussing which is more harmful.

Am i missing something?

We are.

Obesity will kill approximately 400,000 people in the US this year. Smoking will kill 430,000.

The rate of people dying from smoking has fallen considerably, while the rate of obesity is shooting through the roof.

So, considering that obesity is going to be a much bigger problem than smoking in about 5 years, should the government start regulating how much we eat, and God forbid, WHAT we eat?

Also, according to the book written by the guy who produced 'Super-size Me'.....almost 80% of the kids who grow up in a home where unhealthy eating habits are normal....will become overweight, and obese. And more than 50% of those kids will have health problems by the time they are 25 years old.

In fact, there are more kids suffering from Type 2 diabetes as a direct result of poor eating habits, than there are kids suffering from the effects of second hand smoke.

So, which is more harmful?

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Azure

We are.

Obesity will kill approximately 400,000 people in the US this year. Smoking will kill 430,000.

The rate of people dying from smoking has fallen considerably, while the rate of obesity is shooting through the roof.

So, considering that obesity is going to be a much bigger problem than smoking in about 5 years, should the government start regulating how much we eat, and God forbid, WHAT we eat?

Also, according to the book written by the guy who produced 'Super-size Me'.....almost 80% of the kids who grow up in a home where unhealthy eating habits are normal....will become overweight, and obese. And more than 50% of those kids will have health problems by the time they are 25 years old.

In fact, there are more kids suffering from Type 2 diabetes as a direct result of poor eating habits, than there are kids suffering from the effects of second hand smoke.

So, which is more harmful?

Time for the fat tax.

[psicodude]

Originally Posted by Azure

We are.

Obesity will kill approximately 400,000 people in the US this year. Smoking will kill 430,000.

The rate of people dying from smoking has fallen considerably, while the rate of obesity is shooting through the roof.

So, considering that obesity is going to be a much bigger problem than smoking in about 5 years, should the government start regulating how much we eat, and God forbid, WHAT we eat?

Also, according to the book written by the guy who produced 'Super-size Me'.....almost 80% of the kids who grow up in a home where unhealthy eating habits are normal....will become overweight, and obese. And more than 50% of those kids will have health problems by the time they are 25 years old.

In fact, there are more kids suffering from Type 2 diabetes as a direct result of poor eating habits, than there are kids suffering from the effects of second hand smoke.

So, which is more harmful?

The difference is that smoking also hurts other people than just the smoker. I can eat crap everyday for 50 years, and it will only hurt me.

I think the most the gov't can do is educate (as has been said several times in this thread) and make sure that food companies are fully disclosing how bad their product is.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by psicodude

The difference is that smoking also hurts other people than just the smoker. I can eat crap everyday for 50 years, and it will only hurt me.

I think the most the gov't can do is educate (as has been said several times in this thread) and make sure that food companies are fully disclosing how bad their product is.

Not if you are feeding that crap to your kids.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by psicodude

The difference is that smoking also hurts other people than just the smoker. I can eat crap everyday for 50 years, and it will only hurt me.

I think the most the gov't can do is educate (as has been said several times in this thread) and make sure that food companies are fully disclosing how bad their product is.

I think you missed what I just said.

Also, according to the book written by the guy who produced 'Super-size Me'.....almost 80% of the kids who grow up in a home where unhealthy eating habits are normal....will become overweight, and obese. And more than 50% of those kids will have health problems by the time they are 25 years old.

So no, eating crap, especially if you have a family with kids, does not only effect you.

Also, the guy who did 'Supersize Me' said that ever since the tobacco and cigarette companies starting putting the surgeon general warning in their products about the health risks associate with smoking.....the rate of smokers has fallen considerably.

So yes, I fully agree....educate instead of legislate.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Time for the fat tax.

In a country where universal health care exists....I wouldn't be surprised.

[psicodude]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Not if you are feeding that crap to your kids.

Yeah, true.

It would be interesting to see lawmakers try to pass something along the lines of "it's child abuse if your 7 year old weighs 150 lbs.". I mean, it's child abuse if you don't feed your kid.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by psicodude

The difference is that smoking also hurts other people than just the smoker. I can eat crap everyday for 50 years, and it will only hurt me.

Dood, did you read the post?

If you eat crap all the time, your kids will learn the behavior of eating crap all the time.

How can you call condemning your kids to a life of suffering from YOUR BAD CHOICES "not hurting anyone else".

Also, what happens when you're too fat to attend their grad, make it to the hospital for life/death situations, hell, take them to the movies?

That was a very poor post.


EDIT: Looks like some others beat me to it.

[J pold]

The difference is that eating is a necessity, yes I know you don’t need to eat junk food but when you are a low income family and all you can afford too feed your children with is frozen crap that is full of preservatives and food that is healthy and full of nutrients is almost double the price the choice is pretty simple

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by psicodude

Yeah, true.

It would be interesting to see lawmakers try to pass something along the lines of "it's child abuse if your 7 year old weighs 150 lbs.". I mean, it's child abuse if you don't feed your kid.

Is it not also interesting to see a law passed about doing something completely legal with your child in the car?

The two are strikingly similar and I am not saying I agree with parents smoking in the car with their kids or feeding them crap but I also don't agree with making legislation about it.

[LChoy]

The saddest thing is that familes of lower socio-economical standings are often priced out of healthy food options, alternative fitness options, and access to healthy living promotions

[The Ditch]

Originally Posted by Azure

Also, the guy who did 'Supersize Me' said that ever since the tobacco and cigarette companies starting putting the surgeon general warning in their products about the health risks associate with smoking.....the rate of smokers has fallen considerably.

So yes, I fully agree....educate instead of legislate.

I agree with your points but supersize me was so sensationalist. The movie seemed so fake and he literally ate every meal there and he ate more than his body could handle. Not that I doubt there are people who would do that but I have never met any.

But I think you are correct in saying a parents bad eating habits could/will affect the rest of their kids live.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by lchoy

The saddest thing is that familes of lower socio-economical standings are often priced out of healthy food options, alternative fitness options, and access to healthy living promotions

This is BS.

My mother grew up in almost poverty in London England with 5 brothers raised by a single mother. None of them are fat, and all of them are fit, and judging by their old photos, they weren't malnourished. They have all gone on to have very successful careers, a couple even achieving financial freedom before they hit 40!

Its North American values. As opposed to eating properly and making your kids GO OUT to play and have a life, we saturate ourselves with crap in front of the TV playing Xbox. Through this, we learn to not dream. Can't win, don't try. Pass me a controller.

[Gozer]

Building stuff and exploring doesn't have a "reset" button.