Alright, this is a little too much from me... (Smoking ban with kids in car)

[badnarik]

give the kid the money from the fine.

[BuzzardsWife]

I have 2 different friends that smoke in the car with their kids. My kid is NOT allowed to go anywhere with them and their kids because of it. One of them actually smokes in the house. I quit being friends with her when her 3 year old son was on an inhaler for bronchial infection and she and her husband and her brother were all hotboxing in their very small house. They have no respect for their kid, so how can I be friends with someone like that. I would never smoke in the car or the house with my kids. I am an on again off again smoker but I never even smoked around my daughter, only when she wasn't around me. I think if people are stupid enough to smoke in a house or car with their kids, they should be fined heavily. And I just want some opinions here..but the friend who was smoking around her very sick asthmatic little boy, was told by the dr. to quit smoking around him. I feel this was serious enough Child Services should be involved, but I didn't do anything about it. Should I have?

[BuzzardsWife]

Originally Posted by badnarik

give the kid the money from the fine.

Yeah for cancer treatment later in life.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Obviously not, because that doesn't affect the people around the fat kid. I mean, it is clearly a bigger issue because second hand smoke affects everyone, and fat people only affect themselves...

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Smokers die of lung cancer once.

Fat people suck on the medical system their whole lives for a huge plethora of reasons, all directly related to being fat.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Dion

I wouldn't call them stupid, more like self centered. Their filthy disghusting habit is more important to them than the health of their children.

Maybe. A lot of people still don't actually believe it is all that harmful, hence the word "stupid". Anyone under the age of 40 was told in school that smoking is bad for you.

Maybe they are willfully ignoring the evidence just so they can keep up the behaviour?

Is this really a social problem still though? I know lots of parents and not one of them would ever even consider smoking in the car with their kids. I haven't seen anyone do it in some time, though granted I don't really look for that kind of thing.

How many people commit this "crime"? Is it a big problem in Okotoks in particular, or is this being drummed up by some busybodies?

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Smokers die of lung cancer once.

Fat people suck on the medical system their whole lives for a huge plethora of reasons, all directly related to being fat.

If smokers simply just died due to cancer as if it were a "times up, you're finished" manner then I'd see reason in the arguement. However, smokers can live without getting cancer but still having a multitude of conditions which can linger on for decades.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Smokers die of lung cancer once.

Fat people suck on the medical system their whole lives for a huge plethora of reasons, all directly related to being fat.

I am agreeing with you...

Hence the /sarcasm. Although, a battle with lung cancer can be long and drawn out battle as well.

I wonder if there is more obese people or smokers? What about obese smokers?

[Gobsgraham]

I think anyone complaining about this is a complete jack@$$. How many times have you walked by a vehicle with the driver hotboxing their car with 3 little kids in car seats in the back. It isabsolutely ridiculous. If you want to kill yourself by smoking go right ahead. If you want to give your kids lung cancer, go stick a shotgun up your @$$ and pull the trigger.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Gobsgraham

How many times have you walked by a vehicle with the driver hotboxing their car with 3 little kids in car seats in the back.

None. Where do you live?

I'm on the road a lot lately (in Calgary)and I haven't noticed this once. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but is it on the rise? Is it suddenly a medical emergency that we need laws enacted to criminalize this?

Fewer people are smoking these days, we all know that. 95% of us know that it is bad for us and bad for the people who are stuck with the second hand smoke. What percentage of parents still insist on smoking in the car with their children? 1%? I have no idea and it's probably impossible to know, but it's got to be a very small number.

You can't legislate away bad parents and/or stupidity, which it kinda seems like they are trying to do here with this.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by BuzzardsWife

And I just want some opinions here..but the friend who was smoking around her very sick asthmatic little boy, was told by the dr. to quit smoking around him. I feel this was serious enough Child Services should be involved, but I didn't do anything about it. Should I have?

I went to a funeral of a good neighbour a few weeks ago. Age 50 and dead from lung cancer. Lost my favourite uncle to the same thing last January. Both were very painful drawn out deaths.

Personaly i'd have wished for your friend and any smoker for that matter to have seen this happen. It wasn't a pretty sight. It might have convinced them to kick the habit.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by BuzzardsWife

I have 2 different friends that smoke in the car with their kids. My kid is NOT allowed to go anywhere with them and their kids because of it. One of them actually smokes in the house. I quit being friends with her when her 3 year old son was on an inhaler for bronchial infection and she and her husband and her brother were all hotboxing in their very small house. They have no respect for their kid, so how can I be friends with someone like that. I would never smoke in the car or the house with my kids. I am an on again off again smoker but I never even smoked around my daughter, only when she wasn't around me. I think if people are stupid enough to smoke in a house or car with their kids, they should be fined heavily. And I just want some opinions here..but the friend who was smoking around her very sick asthmatic little boy, was told by the dr. to quit smoking around him. I feel this was serious enough Child Services should be involved, but I didn't do anything about it. Should I have?

I agree, that is neglect.
Also why can the goverment issue parental licenses? If you don't pass the test you can't have kids! Seriously the world would be better off...we continue to mess with evolutionary principles and it sucks!

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Also why can the goverment issue parental licenses? If you don't pass the test you can't have kids! Seriously the world would be better off...we continue to mess with evolutionary principles and it sucks!

This is the next logical step in this vein of thinking.

Which terrifies me.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Gozer

This is the next logical step in this vein of thinking.

Which terrifies me.

the status quo is also terrifying...

[enthused]

The way I see it is that the government shouldn't even have to make this a law, parents shouldn't be smoking anywhere near their children in the first place. Potentially killing your child with your nasty habit... thumbs up for good parenting right there!

However, since a large amount of people are still selfish enough to smoke around their children, particularly in the confined space of a car, I really hope this becomes a law.

[The Ditch]

Originally Posted by Gozer

This is the next logical step in this vein of thinking.

Which terrifies me.

No it's not. That is a ridiculous jump from putting in a bylaw not to smoke when your children are in the car to saying who can and cannot have children.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

No it's not. That is a ridiculous jump from putting in a bylaw not to smoke when your children are in the car to saying who can and cannot have children.

I concede my point was ridiculous, but gov't imposing morality is wrong.

Even when they're right.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Gozer

I concede my point was ridiculous, but gov't imposing morality is wrong.

Even when they're right.

This is a very vague statement “when they impose mortality” what does that mean?

Is it wrong when the government convicts a killer? Are they not imposing on the morality of the situation?

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by Gozer

I concede my point was ridiculous, but gov't imposing morality is wrong.

Health standards do not equal morality.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by J pold

This is a very vague statement “when they impose mortality” what does that mean?

Is it wrong when the government convicts a killer? Are they not imposing on the morality of the situation?

No. They are.

I stand by my point. Gov'ts role in morality should be resisted.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Health standards do not equal morality.

By that logic, why not have gov't mandated diets?