Alright, this is a little too much from me... (Smoking ban with kids in car)

[fredr123]

Never mind...

[Ford Prefect]

I'm an semi-regular cigar smoker, and I'm vehemently opposed to the government legislating what I can and can't do. This one however is a no-brainer. The only thing I can't figure out is why this wasn't the first place to be be banned. They banned outdoor pub patios, which aren't open to minors, before the tiny, concentrated space of a vehicle? Riiiight. Plus, banning smoking in autos will lead to fewer wildfires.

The only place I think they've gone too far with smoking bans is bars. Bars are privately owned and not accessible to minors, so I feel bar owners should have the right to decide whether their establishment is smoking or non-smoking. Imbibers can then decide whether they want to go to a smoking or non-smoking bar. If there's not enough customer support for one or the other, then market conditions will set the norm.

[Russic]

edit: Mind changed, nothing to see here.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Claeren

So if i locked a child in a enclosed space with poisonous air equal to that of cigarette smoke am I a good person too?

Why is it that cigarette smoke gets a pass just because ADDICTS produce it?

I am not sure there is a SINGLE other exception where i can poison a child knowingly and on purpose and not go to jail?


Oh, but those pooooor smokers! Those poooor victims!

"Smokers: Hundreds of years of poisoning their own children, making up excuses for their addiction, and still going strong!"



Claeren.

Um, I dunno feeding kids fried food. Food can be an addiction and then when a parent or other adult goes to McDonald's instead of preparing a meal filled with mixed greens for children it's effects can be just as devastating overtime.

Why don't we sick the food police on these negligent adults. Heck, why doesn't the state step in and raise all of our children because no adults can be trusted without legislation or supervision to raise any children without exposing them to some sort of harm.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Russic

I don't really see the difference between telling people they can't smoke in their cars and telling them they can't smoke in their homes.

Cubic footage.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Russic

I'm probably making unreasonable assumptions here, but I would assume that a parent insensitive enough to smoke in the car with their children is probably smoking in the home with them as well. In my eyes, if they're doing both you're only really dealing with about a very tiny percentage of the problem by outlawing it in cars.

I think that is a perfectly reasonable assumption. I am not arguing that smoking in cars is healthy for kids, I just have an issue with the legislation.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Russic

I At some point we have to resign to the fact that we can't protect children from all forms of abuse from their parents.

No, no, no.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Cubic footage.

15mins in a car. 6hours in an evening...

Which is worse?

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

15mins in a car. 6hours in an evening...

Which is worse?

According to the article I already posted it’s 27 times worse

It also suggested the tobacco fumes would reach levels 27 times greater than those found in a smoker's home. Even with all windows down, second-hand smoke levels could be 13 times greater inside a car than in the surrounding air.

[HelloHockeyFans]

I am in 100% support of this law. They passed this in Ontario as well I believe... or are in the process of it.

[Locke]

What if you gave the kid a gas mask? Would it have to be military-grade issue or would a painter's mask suffice?

[The Ditch]

Originally Posted by Locke

What if you gave the kid a gas mask? Would it have to be military-grade issue or would a painter's mask suffice?

Certified SCBA Dragger or better would be fine by me.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

Certified SCBA Dragger or better would be fine by me.

Do they make those in Children's sizes?

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

15mins in a car. 6hours in an evening...

Originally Posted by J pold

According to the article I already posted it’s 27 times worse

It also suggested the tobacco fumes would reach levels 27 times greater than those found in a smoker's home. Even with all windows down, second-hand smoke levels could be 13 times greater inside a car than in the surrounding air.

15mins at 13x (maybe) worse than a house

or

24x the length of exposure.

I am not sold on the car being worse.

[The Ditch]

Originally Posted by Locke

Do they make those in Children's sizes?

as long as there is positive pressure I wouldn't worry about a few unconnected areas.

I seem to remember from my mother smoking that windows down doesn't help that much as it would just blow the smoke to the back of the car where I was sitting, it only really helped if you were going quite slow.

[Russic]

edit: nm

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by fotze

But in Canada the fact the government pays for health care and is responsible for ensuring that health care costs are managed and sustainable, they have to do something. Smoking in the car with someone who doesn't smoke or does not want the smoke is nothing less than being a completely selfish P.O.S and I used to smoke.

Then maybe the whole publicly funded aspect of health-care has to be re-approached because it doesn't reflect the reality that Canadians expect to live in a free society where behavior isn't dictated by the state of the governments coffers. Maybe if the government didn't write a blank check for everyone's health care needs, actually bothered to calculate everyone's risk like actuaries,and then proceded to penalize those who participated in activities that increased their risk profile we wouldn't need these nuisence laws.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

15mins at 13x (maybe) worse than a house

or

24x the length of exposure.

I am not sold on the car being worse.

I didn’t realize that all car rides where restricted to 15 minutes what about a 6 hour road trip? An hour long ride home from school/work? According to the article that would the equivalent to 27 hours in a house where second hand smoke is present

Read the article its worse in the car

[Gozer]

With all the information currently available on the matter, if a parent has so little respect for the livelihood of their child to smoke in a car with windows rolled up, why on earth would they respect an obscure law that they may not even hear about?

It's not that I think it's not a worthwhile cause, but it will have no effect except broadening the gov't's role in morality.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Locke

In the interest of crucifying smokers for the despicable and rotting hulks of souless vermin that they are, I think all of their rights should be withdrawn.

Lets fix the root of this problem, dont even let smokers drive. Clearly, by deciding to smoke they have demonstrated that their judgement is sub-par and self-destructive and generally impaired beyond reason to begin with.

After we're done taking away their right to drive, we should rescind their right to shoes, so every step they take in public is penance.

At which point we should pass a law that says that anyone who sees a smoker in public has the right to poke them with a sharp stick. In the eye.

Why stop there? We should make them do humiliating and backbreaking menial labour for the public good while we're at it.

We could bring back slavery, except instead of having it being racially motivated we could subdivide the social classes by behavioral issues.

Either that or just fine them for every breath they take so they appreciate it more.

I don't know if you're successfully trying to be sarcastic or smart in this post. But anyways, lots of good ideas in there.