China needs to chill out. Big time.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by TibHockeyPlayer

The latest updates on the situation:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.a...d+risen+to+140

What protests? Liar!!

http://www.tsn.ca/olympics/news_stor...232803&hubname=

[TibHockeyPlayer]

In the latest developments, Chinese themselves, scholars, a former Communist member, and two Chinese witnesses report suspicious activity by China:

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.a...+Lhasa&t=1&c=1

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.a...+Lhasa&t=1&c=1

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.a...ith+Dalai+Lama

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by TibHockeyPlayer

In the latest developments, Chinese themselves, scholars, a former Communist member, and two Chinese witnesses report suspicious activity by China:

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.a...+Lhasa&t=1&c=1

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.a...+Lhasa&t=1&c=1

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.a...ith+Dalai+Lama

This has MSS stamped all over it, the Chinese were worried about the whole Tibet situation in relations to possibly effecting the Olympics, so they created their own situation so that they can wrap up the dissidents and bury Tibet before the Olympics start.

Its another reason why I've stopped buying all made in China products that I can.

I still think that the international community needs to rally on this and give China a good punch in the nose.

[HotHotHeat]

"The Dalai Lama has been telling lies to the world for decades," Lu told journalists at a news conference held Wednesday at the Chinese Embassy in Ottawa.

On Monday, Lu told CTV Newsnet's Mike Duffy Live that the Dalai Lama was a slave owner, a claim rejected by a world authority on Chinese history. In an interview with CTV.ca on Tuesday, Timothy Brook, the principal of St. John's College, a graduate school at the University of British Columbia, warned the Chinese ambassador not to misrepresent history.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

Wow. The CCP is a bunch of tools. We need to boycott these olympics to embarrass them.

[normtwofinger]

After spending a month touring China and observing their general social behavior and customs, I can say that I most likely will not be returning. It felt like I was a zoo display and everyone was watching and staring, like they have never seen an outsider before. And it wasn't the cute innocent staring, it was the 'why are you here?!?' staring. I was laughed at several times while walking in public. 90% of the people in the street constantly spit up their phlegm, men and woman. I had to physically remove a man from entering the bus so I could exit myself. There are no 'wait-your-turn' lineups (ie. McDonald's), it's a stampede to the cashier. They have the 'me-first' attitude, much more so than at home. The funniest thing is that they were airing PSA commericals to be polite for the Olympics. They showed a man actually allowing pedestrians to cross the street, instead of plowing through them, and allowing another vehicle the right-of-way, instead of laying on the horn. Another thing I observed was how the little boys were allowed by their parents, to do anything they wanted, without consequence. This wasn't the case for little girls, as they were told no. I think this translates to men's attitudes when they are grown up. All through childhood they are allowed to do what they please, so why can't they do the same when they are adults? This attitude must work it's way into politics, and must be frustrating to outside nations who deal with China. Now this doesn't mean everyone is like this. I did meet some very nice locals along the way who were very helpful and kind. This is just some of the things, that as an outsider, I observed in my time in China. Flame on.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by normtwofinger

After spending a month touring China and observing their general social behavior and customs, I can say that I most likely will not be returning. It felt like I was a zoo display and everyone was watching and staring, like they have never seen an outsider before. And it wasn't the cute innocent staring, it was the 'why are you here?!?' staring. I was laughed at several times while walking in public. 90% of the people in the street constantly spit up their phlegm, men and woman. I had to physically remove a man from entering the bus so I could exit myself. There are no 'wait-your-turn' lineups (ie. McDonald's), it's a stampede to the cashier. They have the 'me-first' attitude, much more so than at home. The funniest thing is that they were airing PSA commericals to be polite for the Olympics. They showed a man actually allowing pedestrians to cross the street, instead of plowing through them, and allowing another vehicle the right-of-way, instead of laying on the horn. Another thing I observed was how the little boys were allowed by their parents, to do anything they wanted, without consequence. This wasn't the case for little girls, as they were told no. I think this translates to men's attitudes when they are grown up. All through childhood they are allowed to do what they please, so why can't they do the same when they are adults? This attitude must work it's way into politics, and must be frustrating to outside nations who deal with China. Now this doesn't mean everyone is like this. I did meet some very nice locals along the way who were very helpful and kind. This is just some of the things, that as an outsider, I observed in my time in China. Flame on.

I believe that foreign reporters who have been in China preparing for the Olympics have experienced all the furstrations that you listed. China can try to sweep everything under the rug for 2 weeks but hopefully people will still know what is really going on. I hope that during the Olympics, the media and especially the blogs go crazy and report on everything bad that is going on.

[Flames89]

Originally Posted by normtwofinger

After spending a month touring China and observing their general social behavior and customs, ...

Just because China has different social norms, does not mean they are any more brutal than other societies.

Yes, they don't line up like north americans
Yes, they have zero embarassment about bodily functions
Yes, business contracts are somewhat thin
Yes, they are ruthless at negotiations
Yes, they can be seen as cold in business

These are just social norms that are different than your own and business norms that are valued in China, and every developing economy. Relationships are most important, before any signature on a piece of paper.

As for their government and Tibet - well, it is an ugly mess. I find more issue with HOW the government handles the problem than the why. It is not my right to say that Tibet deserves to be free, as I am not familiar enough with the history, and we can't just support every group of people who want to seperate from their country. No, I have more problem with the lying liars and the lying that they do ... China's attempts to explain what is going on and shielding the truth from their public is belittling to the international ego - do they really think we are that stupid?

But again, this is coming from a culture that has not questioned their leadership in a LONG time.

[Degenerate]

The last thing I want to see is Canada boycott these Olympics. It wouldn't be fair to our athletes who manage to place just off the podium every four years. Seriously, if there was a medal for fourth and fifth place this country could make a fortune on melting down all that excess metal.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Degenerate

The last thing I want to see is Canada boycott these Olympics. It wouldn't be fair to our athletes who manage to place just off the podium every four years. Seriously, if there was a medal for fourth and fifth place this country could make a fortune on melting down all that excess metal.

I have a bit more sympathy for the Tibetans.

[Burninator]

The Olympics are the perfect place a protest.

Interesting article.

[Degenerate]

Originally Posted by peter12

I have a bit more sympathy for the Tibetans.

That sounds like Commie talk to me.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Flames89

Just because China has different social norms, does not mean they are any more brutal than other societies.

Yes, they don't line up like north americans
Yes, they have zero embarassment about bodily functions
Yes, business contracts are somewhat thin
Yes, they are ruthless at negotiations
Yes, they can be seen as cold in business

These are just social norms that are different than your own and business norms that are valued in China, and every developing economy. Relationships are most important, before any signature on a piece of paper.

As for their government and Tibet - well, it is an ugly mess. I find more issue with HOW the government handles the problem than the why. It is not my right to say that Tibet deserves to be free, as I am not familiar enough with the history, and we can't just support every group of people who want to seperate from their country. No, I have more problem with the lying liars and the lying that they do ... China's attempts to explain what is going on and shielding the truth from their public is belittling to the international ego - do they really think we are that stupid?

But again, this is coming from a culture that has not questioned their leadership in a LONG time.

Excellent post!
Particularly the first part.

Depending on your take on Taiwan, I've lived in China for about a year and a half. My friends are all Chinese, I speak Chinese in daily life, I live with Chinese guys and spend holidays with their families. I don't know everything about Chinese culture, but I'm reasonably immersed in it and I can attest to the fact that it's a working system that just has different values. Things may seem ed from the outside, but, there are non-Western habits around...

Anyways, on the topic of the government, I agree it's ed. To be frank I'm actually starting to feel a little concern over what I should be publicly expressing on the topic of Tibet recently. I've never felt that here before. The Great Firewall of China is also a major piss off. It has been really ramped up for the Tibet stuff. You may not believe this, but I opened a CP thread with links to Tibet stuff yesterday and was promptly blocked from accessing CP at all. In prior times there have been plenty of blocked news sites, but it seems like any site with keywords or links to blocked sites are now being checked and locked down.
Amazing!

[TibHockeyPlayer]

A local Chinese official, "Party Secretary" beat a Tibetan woman senseless today during a meeting. Wake up China, you got Tibetan land, stop putting insult to injury give them human rights!

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.a...nce+Dalai+Lama

[HotHotHeat]

I don't think a boycott would be as powerful as inviting the entire world to view the things that go on there. They can do what they want to bandaid the problems there, but with the massive amount of media from the western world, things are surely to get exposed.

This situation is only going to escalate as the Olympics get closer. In some ways the more dumb things China does between now and August, the better.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by TibHockeyPlayer

A local Chinese official, "Party Secretary" beat a Tibetan woman senseless today during a meeting. Wake up China, you got Tibetan land, stop putting insult to injury give them human rights!

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.a...nce+Dalai+Lama

They don't even give their own people human rights, why would they give it to someone else.

[TibHockeyPlayer]

Yesterday weeks after kicking out all Western journalists to Tibet, the Chinese decided to bring in a group of journalists on a guided tour. Please read and view. The sources are a Taiwanese news group that was invited and one link is from the BBC quoting the experience of the journalists while they were there. Much to China's dismay, things weren't all rosy, and Monks (knowing that they would be arrested and sent to a horrible Chinese prison- actually told a reporter so) abruptly protested some crying knowing this was their last hurrah before torture (if u don't believe so read on the Drapchi prison in Tibet for political prisoners).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbHf5xJdtrs taiwanese version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLoEsSe0kyA English version

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/7316205.stm

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Degenerate

That sounds like Commie talk to me.

More like anti-Commie talk.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Excellent post!
Particularly the first part.

Depending on your take on Taiwan, I've lived in China for about a year and a half. My friends are all Chinese, I speak Chinese in daily life, I live with Chinese guys and spend holidays with their families. I don't know everything about Chinese culture, but I'm reasonably immersed in it and I can attest to the fact that it's a working system that just has different values. Things may seem ed from the outside, but, there are non-Western habits around...

Anyways, on the topic of the government, I agree it's ed. To be frank I'm actually starting to feel a little concern over what I should be publicly expressing on the topic of Tibet recently. I've never felt that here before. The Great Firewall of China is also a major piss off. It has been really ramped up for the Tibet stuff. You may not believe this, but I opened a CP thread with links to Tibet stuff yesterday and was promptly blocked from accessing CP at all. In prior times there have been plenty of blocked news sites, but it seems like any site with keywords or links to blocked sites are now being checked and locked down.
Amazing!

Do you get this message?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Flames89

Just because China has different social norms, does not mean they are any more brutal than other societies.

Yes, they don't line up like north americans
Yes, they have zero embarassment about bodily functions
Yes, business contracts are somewhat thin
Yes, they are ruthless at negotiations
Yes, they can be seen as cold in business

These are just social norms that are different than your own and business norms that are valued in China, and every developing economy. Relationships are most important, before any signature on a piece of paper.

As for their government and Tibet - well, it is an ugly mess. I find more issue with HOW the government handles the problem than the why. It is not my right to say that Tibet deserves to be free, as I am not familiar enough with the history, and we can't just support every group of people who want to seperate from their country. No, I have more problem with the lying liars and the lying that they do ... China's attempts to explain what is going on and shielding the truth from their public is belittling to the international ego - do they really think we are that stupid?

But again, this is coming from a culture that has not questioned their leadership in a LONG time.

quoted for emphasis

good post

[HOZ]

Anybody wanting a great book on China....banned in China by the way, written by a husband and wife team.

Will the Boat Sink the Water

A great insight into the workings of China when it comes to peasants.