CFL offseason

[Trojan97]

Originally Posted by dionfan

This more than likely means the end for either Bishop or Allen in T.O. I can see Bishop traded somewhere and Allen staying in Toronto to be a mentor to Joseph, considering they're both QBs who like to run.

I was just reading the riders website and it said Joseph was 35 years old! I didnt think he was that old. Maybe this wasn't such a bad move for the riders.

Actually, they're apparently expected to announce that Bishop is signing an extension at Joseph's press conference. Weird situation all around.

[corporatejay]

I don't get it, why get rid of joseph?

[flamesfan6]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I don't get it, why get rid of joseph?

Joseph wanted a salary like dickensen's in BC around 400k. For Saskatchewan to accommodate that they would of apparently had to get rid of 4 other vets for having Joseph on their team.
they feel confident with Crandell and their younger qb's so they traded Joeseph so they can fit under the salary cap.

[North East Goon]

I heard somewhere, Joseph is going to try out in the NFL. New Orleans, has anyone else heard this?

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by flamesfan6

Joseph wanted a salary like dickensen's in BC around 400k. For Saskatchewan to accommodate that they would of apparently had to get rid of 4 other vets for having Joseph on their team.
they feel confident with Crandell and their younger qb's so they traded Joeseph so they can fit under the salary cap.

Oh man, good call! lol If that's really the case I'll laugh at Tillman right on through until he gets fired. Crandell is a back-up and nothing more. If they plan on QBing by commitee, either they better have someone in the wings who can step into the #1 role or Crandell will make Henry Burris look like Joe Montana in comparison as the Riders duke it out with Edmonton to see who makes it to third seed in the west.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Oh man, good call! lol If that's really the case I'll laugh at Tillman right on through until he gets fired. Crandell is a back-up and nothing more. If they plan on QBing by commitee, either they better have someone in the wings who can step into the #1 role or Crandell will make Henry Burris look like Joe Montana in comparison as the Riders duke it out with Edmonton to see who makes it to third seed in the west.

Personally I would bet if Crandell is still around for next season he will be the backup. Tillman must be trying to trade for another QB.

[worth]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

I heard somewhere, Joseph is going to try out in the NFL. New Orleans, has anyone else heard this?

He already did. They didn't offer him anything, and who would? The only team in the CFL to offer him anything was Toronto. He's 35 and not worth the money in either league. And he doens't fit in as an NFL QB which is why Atlanta tried to turn him into a DB.

[worth]

Originally Posted by flambers

Personally I would bet if Crandell is still around for next season he will be the backup. Tillman must be trying to trade for another QB.

Do they have any money to pay another QB? If they want a top tier QB in this league their going to pay 300-400. Which is what KJ wanted. I don't think there are any other #1 QB's to go around right now.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by worth

Do they have any money to pay another QB? If they want a top tier QB in this league their going to pay 300-400. Which is what KJ wanted. I don't think there are any other #1 QB's to go around right now.

Not sure, but its tough to believe the Riders will go with a guy like Crandell... In the West every team has a big name QB (BC has two).... Except the Riders I would think Tillman has a plan..... but I have no idea what it is....

[North East Goon]

When does Michael Vick get out of Jail? I really dont get this move at all, I sure hope Tillman has some sort of back-up plan that doesnt involve Crandell.

[flip]

it's called developing a quarterback people. I can't for the life of me understand why everyone (not just on this board) thinks that you must have a top tier quarterback all the time. THere are only so many guys that have been kicking around in the CFL for the last 8 years (bishop, crandle, maas, dickenson, calvillo etc). There has not been a single new quarterback on the scene in canadian football since Kevin Glenn who is already about a 8 year vet by now but spent several seasons on the bench in SSK, but it paid off going with an unproven guy.

Tillman is likely going to go with Durant or Jyles (who looked pretty good as EDM backup last year). He will likely give a young guy a shot and develop him into a winner (see: Kevin Glenn). Teams do it ALL the time in the NFL, just look at the Broncos and Jake Cutler, or the chargers trading Drew Brees so they could start Rivers.

[worth]

In order to develop a QB you need a #1 qb to learn from. Neither of those guys are ready to be #1 QB's and how much are they going to learn from Crandell?

Calgary is developing Barrick Nealy. He has Dave Dickenson and Henry Burris, two very good QB's to learn from as well as a great coaching staff. I don't think Saskatchewan has the proper personnel in place to develop a starting QB right now.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by flip

it's called developing a quarterback people. I can't for the life of me understand why everyone (not just on this board) thinks that you must have a top tier quarterback all the time.

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Its not only this board that thinks that in my view every other CFL team thinks that.....

Look at the West for example.

Edmonton has Ricky Ray (Maas)
Stamps have Burris (Dickenson)
BC has Jarious Jackson and Buck Pierce

Riders have ?????

Look at the East

Argo's have Joseph and Bishop
TigerCats have Printers
Montreal have Calvillo
Bombers have Glenn

LOL, do you see a trend.....

[SaskaBushFire]

Joseph will be in the NFL by Fall. It doesn't matter, we have all we need to roast those crappy Stampeders.. that is all I really care about.

GO GREEN!!!

[worth]

lol

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by flip

it's called developing a quarterback people. I can't for the life of me understand why everyone (not just on this board) thinks that you must have a top tier quarterback all the time. THere are only so many guys that have been kicking around in the CFL for the last 8 years (bishop, crandle, maas, dickenson, calvillo etc). There has not been a single new quarterback on the scene in canadian football since Kevin Glenn who is already about a 8 year vet by now but spent several seasons on the bench in SSK, but it paid off going with an unproven guy.

Tillman is likely going to go with Durant or Jyles (who looked pretty good as EDM backup last year). He will likely give a young guy a shot and develop him into a winner (see: Kevin Glenn). Teams do it ALL the time in the NFL, just look at the Broncos and Jake Cutler, or the chargers trading Drew Brees so they could start Rivers.

First of all, don't use Jay Cutler as an example of a sucess story. He's got plenty left to prove before I'd consider him a decent #1. Second of all the Chargers were in the leagues basement when they developed Brees.

Contrast that with Sask's situation and do you think the defending Grey Cup champions should be re-building? If Sask fans enjoy being the joke of the league as far as long-term performance goes maybe, but this is their time as the defence and offensive personel(outside the QB position) are good enough to at the very least compete again this year(ie another home playoff date, maybe more). Delete Joeseph, add in an inexperienced QB who makes rookie mistakes and they could miss the playoffs. Sure they could have someone young who'll step in an be the next Flutie, or they could have someone who could step in and be the next public whipping boy. If I were Tillman I'd go for broke again this year and see if they can double their Grey Cup output in two years!

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

First of all, don't use Jay Cutler as an example of a sucess story. He's got plenty left to prove before I'd consider him a decent #1. Second of all the Chargers were in the leagues basement when they developed Brees.

Not to mention NFL is a completely different game; NFL can draft players from College who can step in and start. Or can start in a year or two.

In the CFL it takes a long time as the game is completely different. CFL teams sign players that have NFL experience all the time but it usually does not work out.....

[flip]

Originally Posted by flambers

Its not only this board that thinks that in my view every other CFL team thinks that.....

Look at the West for example.

Edmonton has Ricky Ray (Maas)
Stamps have Burris (Dickenson)
BC has Jarious Jackson and Buck Pierce

Riders have ?????

Look at the East

Argo's have Joseph and Bishop
TigerCats have Printers
Montreal have Calvillo
Bombers have Glenn

LOL, do you see a trend.....

I do see the trend of the same 8 names I've seen for the last 8 friggin years. If the Riders HAD to trade Joseph (which they did) then who are we going to trade him for? Maas, I don't think so, Glenn, nope; Jackson nope furthermore putting Jackson on that list is laughable because he's been in the league for what, a whole year? WHat if Jyles or Durrant turn into the next Jackson or Flutie.

Yeah and the other trend I see is a bunch of really high paid quarterbacks on terrible teams who can't afford to sign anyone else because their QBs make so friggin much. (I'm looking at you Hamilton) Or I see old QBs and no viable back ups to step in at QB (Mont).

Then who does that leave us with? NO ONE. So we need to develop one.

I for one don't wanna see Tillman sacrifice the rest of the team just to keep Joseph. If we were talking about Doug Flutie maybe, because he can single handedly win grey cups but for all the rest of the QBs you named they need a good team around them.

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

First of all, don't use Jay Cutler as an example of a sucess story. He's got plenty left to prove before I'd consider him a decent #1. Second of all the Chargers were in the leagues basement when they developed Brees.

Contrast that with Sask's situation and do you think the defending Grey Cup champions should be re-building? If Sask fans enjoy being the joke of the league as far as long-term performance goes maybe, but this is their time as the defence and offensive personel(outside the QB position) are good enough to at the very least compete again this year(ie another home playoff date, maybe more). Delete Joeseph, add in an inexperienced QB who makes rookie mistakes and they could miss the playoffs. Sure they could have someone young who'll step in an be the next Flutie, or they could have someone who could step in and be the next public whipping boy. If I were Tillman I'd go for broke again this year and see if they can double their Grey Cup output in two years!

But Cutler is a perfect example, he likely will turn out to be a great QB but he's not there yet. That's what the Riders need. Someone who can not lose them games but isn't going to step in and win MOP in his first year. Let a guy develop for a few years and them maybe he'll be the next Flutie.

Given the fact that we have an amazing receiving core with Flick, Fantuz and Dominguez and a good O line and a good defence and yeah we should be able to compete as long as our QB doesn't lose us games.

In the "new" CFL with the cap you can't play the win now game every year because it just won't work.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by flip

I do see the trend of the same 8 names I've seen for the last 8 friggin years. If the Riders HAD to trade Joseph (which they did) then who are we going to trade him for? Maas, I don't think so, Glenn, nope; Jackson nope furthermore putting Jackson on that list is laughable because he's been in the league for what, a whole year? WHat if Jyles or Durrant turn into the next Jackson or Flutie.

Yeah and the other trend I see is a bunch of really high paid quarterbacks on terrible teams who can't afford to sign anyone else because their QBs make so friggin much. (I'm looking at you Hamilton) Or I see old QBs and no viable back ups to step in at QB (Mont).

Then who does that leave us with? NO ONE. So we need to develop one.



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As for Jackson, the guy has been in CFL for three years. Was on the Lions Roster for two years before he even played..... It takes time to develop a QB...... He was way down the depth charts learning the ropes from QBs like Dickenson.....

http://www.cfl.ca/index.php?module=r...lay&ros_id=134

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by flip

But Cutler is a perfect example, he likely will turn out to be a great QB but he's not there yet. That's what the Riders need. Someone who can not lose them games but isn't going to step in and win MOP in his first year. Let a guy develop for a few years and them maybe he'll be the next Flutie.

Given the fact that we have an amazing receiving core with Flick, Fantuz and Dominguez and a good O line and a good defence and yeah we should be able to compete as long as our QB doesn't lose us games.

In the "new" CFL with the cap you can't play the win now game every year because it just won't work.

Once again, how is he a perfect example? He's an example of the Denver Broncos plan of action for their situation. Remove the hopefull optimistic words from your post and you'll discover that in one and half years he has yet to do anything to show that he is a quality NFL starter. He very well might turn into one, but until then wait until he turns into a good QB before starting that discussion.