To be fair, here is the Hamas Bunny episode, as well:
Well that about takes the cake for the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
And who is the production designer on this show? I saw Winnie the Pooh and Snoopy on the wall and an Easter toy on the shelf.
If these people are going to exhort the children of the nation to grind up the bones and drink the blood of their enemies you'd think they'd take it seriously enough to remove the symbols of dirty western capitalism and the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the set.
You're going to say that Western society is guilty of the same thing as these Hamas militants because of a episode filmed in 1942?
Wow, thats an interesting spin on it. Where did I say Western society wanted to kill Jews and reach martyrdom? That's an interesting spin, but you're getting unnecessarily creative.
Once again, I say - Propoganda is propoganda. Americans use a sailor to villify the Japanese in 1942, Hamas uses a bunny to villify Jews in 2008. Both are reaching children audiences, and both have a racist tone.
Wow, thats an interesting spin on it. Where did I say Western society wanted to kill Jews and reach martyrdom? That's an interesting spin, but you're getting unnecessarily creative.
Once again, I say - Propoganda is propoganda. Americans use a sailor to villify the Japanese in 1942, Hamas uses a bunny to villify Jews in 2008. Both are reaching children audiences, and both have a racist tone.
In terms of culture, that's not really unique. Of course, specific culture develops according to geographic and human needs.
But to morally equate all this stuff as simple "indoctrination" is just pathetic and as the last responses have shown, it is not capable of being adequately defended.
It boils down to when do you draw that line between a free society and tyranny. A lot of people here are incapable of making that distinction.
Oh bull. There are just as many twisted arseholes in our western culture that do similar types of indoctrination and get away with it because it is a lot more subtle. All you have to do is look at the religious indoctrination practiced in many of the evangelical Christian sects. You can also carry that through to political indoctrination practices that have developed over the past 20 years in certain circles in America. We are no different, other than we embrace the "tyranny" because it is our "brand" of tyranny.
Wow, thats an interesting spin on it. Where did I say Western society wanted to kill Jews and reach martyrdom? That's an interesting spin, but you're getting unnecessarily creative.
Sorry, I never meant it that way.
You're going to say that Western society is guilty of the same thing(influencing kids that a certain group of people should be killed)....because of a episode filmed in 1942?
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Once again, I say - Propoganda is propoganda. Americans use a sailor to villify the Japanese in 1942, Hamas uses a bunny to villify Jews in 2008. Both are reaching children audiences, and both have a racist tone.
Simple. As. That.
Yeah, except one happened in 1942...in an era of all out war....the other happened in 2008 where humans should have advanced beyond brainwashing kids.
How many kids do you think have television in the Gaza strip? And for those that do...
...how many have electricity for it?
It's too bad they all don't... if they all had tv's and satellite dishes the US wouldn't have to invade the place, they could conquer the whole region just using prime-time tv. American media/television culture is so powerful I wouldn't be surprised to find it's the key to 'winning' the Clash of Civilizations (if you actually believe one is occurring).
It's too bad they all don't... if they all had tv's and satellite dishes the US wouldn't have to invade the place, they could conquer the whole region just using prime-time tv. American media/television culture is so powerful I wouldn't be surprised to find it's the key to 'winning' the Clash of Civilizations (if you actually believe one is occurring).
I have always been a firm believer you can take a lot of the fight out of disaffected young men by airdropping in lots of copies of Maxim magazine.
Tough to tie explosives to a guy who's too busy jacken it.
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Watch the episode. Popeye blowing the crap out of Japanese soldiers who are obviously portrayed as primates is just as bad. Believe me.
I wasn't aware the US government produced Popeye.
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How many kids do you think have television in the Gaza strip? And for those that do...
...how many have electricity for it?
There have been temporary power cuts made. The vast majority of the people in the Gaza strip do have access to televisions. They all now have access to full power as well.
I have always been a firm believer you can take a lot of the fight out of disaffected young men by airdropping in lots of copies of Maxim magazine.
Tough to tie explosives to a guy who's too busy jacken it.
There lies the problem.. Jerkin is forbidden in Islam, so you have tons of virgin males with pent up sexual aggression.. Its amusing that the ultimate reward for martyrdom is 70 virgins, it plays right into their sexual frustration.. I read in the book "God is not Great" that depending how the Koran is translated from Persian in Arabic, the reward for martyrdom could infact be 70 raisins instead of virgins.. Boy will they be disapointed if paradise infact exists, and all they get is a bowl of raisins...
In the eyes of many, Hamas isn't the legitimate government either, but they're producing TV shows, and it's influencing the masses.
And proof is in the Youtube file - the Popeye episode is most definitely pro-American (or anti-Japanese, depending on how you look at it) propoganda.
Propoganda, to me and maybe I'm wrong, implies that a political entity is involved in producing the item in question to further its ideaology in some underhanded psychological manner. The Hamas cartoon fits because they are a political entity. The popeye cartoon doesn't fit the definition to me.
No less offensive or wrong...I just don't think the two can be compared as pieces of propoganda. To me, one is propoganda and the other is a racist cartoon.
Not trying to prove anything....that was a curious response.
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In the eyes of many, Hamas isn't the legitimate government either, but they're producing TV shows, and it's influencing the masses.
And proof is in the Youtube file - the Popeye episode is most definitely pro-American (or anti-Japanese, depending on how you look at it) propoganda.
Give it up thats from 60 years ago. The comparison is weak at best, hell there was still segregation in the southern US for another 20 years.. The fact is Hamas was democratically elected in Gaza and the West Bank.. That is a goverment produced childrens show design to indoctrinate kids, that Popeye episode was produced by a private company. It may have had a similar effect 60 years ago, but it wasnt sactioned by the US goverment.
