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			actually the Chilli Peppers I would say have already reched iconic status
		 
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					Originally Posted by StrayBullet  Alicia for sure. There is no doubt in my mind. |  
Really?  How come?  Genuine curiosity here.
 
I bought her debut album having only heard I Keep Falling.  I think I listened to it maybe once, put it away, eventually loaned it to someone, and never even thought about it again until this thread.  
 
And she's playing the Superbowl warmup as we speak, and I still just don't see what sets her apart from so many other singers.
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					Originally Posted by flylock shox  Really?  How come?  Genuine curiosity here.
 I bought her debut album having only heard I Keep Falling.  I think I listened to it maybe once, put it away, eventually loaned it to someone, and never even thought about it again until this thread.
 
 And she's playing the Superbowl warmup as we speak, and I still just don't see what sets her apart from so many other singers.
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Yeah... but I think it takes more than awards to make you a legend, particularly when your competition might not be that strong.  
 
I mean, Alison Krauss has like 20 of the things, and I've only recently heard of her, and the one album I own is good, but I wouldn't say she's set the world on fire.  And the dude who's got the record for grammys I doubt anyone's ever heard of.  
 
For me, there's got to be some ground broken, or a massive cultural influence.  I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I don't really see what Alicia's doing that Tina didn't do, and better, many years before.
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			Tom Waits. Probably already a legend, he will be remembered as one of the most influential and original artists of the latter-quarter of the 20th century.
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					Originally Posted by flylock shox  Yeah... but I think it takes more than awards to make you a legend, particularly when your competition might not be that strong. 
 I mean, Alison Krauss has like 20 of the things, and I've only recently heard of her, and the one album I own is good, but I wouldn't say she's set the world on fire. And the dude who's got the record for grammys I doubt anyone's ever heard of.
 
 For me, there's got to be some ground broken, or a massive cultural influence. I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I don't really see what Alicia's doing that Tina didn't do, and better, many years before.
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 I have all her CD's and her music I really feel is timeless, she handles herself with class and the music industry really respects her.
		 
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					Originally Posted by feartheflames  I have all her CD's and her music I really feel is timeless, she handles herself with class and the music industry really respects her. |  
Hmm... I guess time will tell.   I was really enthusiastic about her first single for that reason: it had a timeless quality about it.  Everything else on that first album though struck me as fairly mainstream R&B.  Maybe time I give her another shot...
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			Contrary to what a nutjob he has become.  Michael Jackson will go down as a legend.
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			Freddy Mercury and U2 and hopefully Led Zep
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I think those guys already are legends, I mean artists that are big right now...
		 
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			Pearl Jam in another 15-20 years will be like the Rolling Stones are now..the band that all the old people will go see to relive their youth, even though the only album they own is TEN.
 Radiohead will be remembered years from now.  U2 for sure.  I think in the end, if the music isn't good, ultimately a band's legacy won't last.
 
 In terms of the bands who are just making their first records now, its really hard to tell.  I think the music industry just works too differently now.  We don't get to see a band like U2 progress on a major label.  Now they either have to break right away, or just have a more obscure career as an independent artist.  And the internet and home recording is changing the industry drastically.  In a way, I think "great" bands are a thing of the past.
 
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			It depends on from whose point of view.  Metallica to some are already legends, same with Iron Maiden.  Alicia Keys I can definitely see becoming a legend.  She writes the majority of her songs which is something that most R&B stars can't say.  U2, Radiohead, Pearl Jam, Van Halen, Green Day there's some others that I am missing.  The biggest problem with creating legends today is that most of the stuff has been done, that's an advantage the rockers in the 60's and 70's have.  There is creative stuff going on today but none of it reaches the mainstream.
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			Todays popular music is a sad state of affairs that has nothing to do with art.  Most of these "iconic" bands will reach superstar status based on sales and not much else; less musical ability gets in the way, trumps and interferes with a corporate music industry whose sole focus is creating windfall, not art.
 I honestly believe the majority of quality music has already been made and now we will go through the phases of re-hashing era's of music (complete with that generations fashion of course) that will be forced on us through the media and of course people will act like its just as cool the second go round.
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			TV On The Radio.
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					Originally Posted by feartheflames  actually the Chilli Peppers I would say have already reched iconic status |  
They are iconic, but nowhere near legendary. In future years, nobody will consider them legends or classics, just very iconic for this era of music from the 90s-2000s.
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			I agree with whoever said The White Stripes.  Jack White is an unreal guitarist and composer, he will keep going for another twenty or thirty years I think.  Legendary stuff for sure.
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					Originally Posted by Shnabdabber  Todays popular music is a sad state of affairs that has nothing to do with art.  Most of these "iconic" bands will reach superstar status based on sales and not much else... |  
While I'm definitely sympathetic to your position, I can't help but wonder when the music industry (aka popular music as we know it) wasn't about money... Also, how could we make a claim like "it's all been done," when the same claim could have been made at any point in human history? What if you said that in 1900?
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					Originally Posted by peter12  Tom Waits. Probably already a legend, he will be remembered as one of the most influential and original artists of the latter-quarter of the 20th century. |  
Arguably the most covered songwriter of our time; he's somebody that other musicians consider brilliant, but still isn't a household name. I'd consider him already legendary, but I think he's someone who will perhaps be better known a generation from now than he is today. 
 
(I'm looking forward to the upcoming Scarlett Johansson album of Tom Waits covers, especially given that it's being produced by Dave Sitek of TV on the Radio).
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					Originally Posted by Sparks  While I'm definitely sympathetic to your position, I can't help but wonder when the music industry (aka popular music as we know it) wasn't about money... Also, how could we make a claim like "it's all been done," when the same claim could have been made at any point in human history? What if you said that in 1900? |  
The music industry HAS always been about profit, no doubt.  Can't run a business without profit.  But they wont stop trying to sell us crap cleverly packaged in bling bling unless the public stops buying it.   
The thing is, in the past people were shelling out their hard earned cash and spending their time to listen to bands with musical talent, bands that were concerned with producing art and constantly challenging music as it was known at that time.  For example, fusion bands sold out stadiums with regularity in the late 60's through the 70's.  We don't see that anymore.  This music was pushed by the industry because... a: It was music of the highest quality and b: its what people wanted.  Everyone wins. 
Then fusion got mistaken for disco music in the 80's and subsequently died because of a inferior product that attempted to latch on to it's predecessor's success.  All of a sudden, image became more important that art and that has never been more true than today.
 
As for saying its been done, and we could have said the same thing at the dawn of the 19th century, I see your point and to a point agree with you.  But at that time classical music itself was being milked beyond its means.  The drumset, a required (and often forgotten) part of modern music, was not around until just before the 1900's, and its potential has not been yet tapped.  Not like say, a trombone.  Electrification of instruments changed and evolved music as well.  
 
Music is being recycled, now it seems in era's.  The 60's are "back" and its all over the radio, posters and magazines.  And I've been told it's cool?
 
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