Clinton bounces back and takes NH. - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

blankall · 01-08-2008, 09:08 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22551718/

Although technically it is more of a tie at this point since they have an even number of delegates, Hillary seems to be creaming Obama in the Superdelegate race.

This has to be one of the most interesting presidential races I've ever watched. I've always figured Hillary for the clear favorite in this one. Never been a massive fan of hers but still think she is the favorite.

HOZ · 01-08-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by blankall

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22551718/

Although technically it is more of a tie at this point since they have an even number of delegates, Hillary seems to be creaming Obama in the Superdelegate race.

This has to be one of the most interesting presidential races I've ever watched. I've always figured Hillary for the clear favorite in this one. Never been a massive fan of hers but still think she is the favorite.

Yes!!!!

Clinton has gone from inevitable to (reportedly) losing badly and dropping out to winning.

Quite the rollercoaster.

Dan02 · 01-08-2008, 09:16 PM

Do Democrats really want another Repulican as president? I seriously don't think she'll win the presidential election. and some of the comments I've read support this, stating that Hillarys strong base was "diehard" Democtats. Seems to me you're not gonna win a federal election on the diehard democrat vote.

FlamesAddiction · 01-08-2008, 09:50 PM

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Do Democrats really want another Repulican as president? I seriously don't think she'll win the presidential election. and some of the comments I've read support this, stating that Hillarys strong base was "diehard" Democtats. Seems to me you're not gonna win a federal election on the diehard democrat vote.

I agree. This will be John Kerry part 2. I think a lot of Democrats like Hillary, but she will be a hard sell to moderate Republicans and undecided voters.

tripin_billie · 01-08-2008, 09:51 PM

Seriously, New Hampshire, you are dead to me.

blankall · 01-08-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan02

Do Democrats really want another Repulican as president? I seriously don't think she'll win the presidential election. and some of the comments I've read support this, stating that Hillarys strong base was "diehard" Democtats. Seems to me you're not gonna win a federal election on the diehard democrat vote.

Most polls do show the democrats ahead regardless of whether Obama or Clinton wins. You're right that Obama does seem to face off a little better against Guiliani. I think the thing w/ Obama is that he tends to reflect better in the polls than in the actual election. Polls prior to tonight had him ahead about 10 points on Hillary. A major thing not taken into consideration here is the female vote tends to be underrepresented in polls.

I really don't think that having Hillary as the democratic nomination in any way guarantees a republican victory. In fact, quite the opposite. IMHO there are just too many females out there not to have a Hillary victory. Also, the democrat vote right now is very much split while the republican vote is more unified. This means that once there is only one democrat candidate we will see more unification behind Hillary.

I agree that "diehard" democrats are her base, but that does not mean she won't reach out to other democrats.

All in all I think we will see a democrat victory w/ Hillary as the next president of the United States.

Displaced Flames fan · 01-08-2008, 09:54 PM

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I agree. This will be John Kerry part 2. I think a lot of Democrats like Hillary, but she will be a hard sell to moderate Republicans and undecided voters.

Hey, I resemble that remark! Seriously, I fall into that category and I don't think she's the best democrat and certainly not the best candidate overall.

She's divisive and that is my #1 can't have in a candidate quality.

Displaced Flames fan · 01-08-2008, 09:57 PM

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Most polls do show the democrats ahead regardless of whether Obama or Clinton wins. You're right that Obama does seem to face off a little better against Guiliani. I think the thing w/ Obama is that he tends to reflect better in the polls than in the actual election. Polls prior to tonight had him ahead about 10 points on Hillary. A major thing not taken into consideration here is the female vote tends to be underrepresented in polls.

I really don't think that having Hillary as the democratic nomination in any way guarantees a republican victory. In fact, quite the opposite. IMHO there are just too many females out there not to have a Hillary victory. Also, the democrat vote right now is very much split while the republican vote is more unified. This means that once there is only one democrat candidate we will see more unification behind Hillary.

I agree that "diehard" democrats are her base, but that does not mean she won't reach out to other democrats.

All in all I think we will see a democrat victory w/ Hillary as the next president of the United States.

How do you figure the Republican vote is more unified? You have Giuliani, Romney, McCain and Huckabee...heck even Thompson polling in double digits in some places.

The dems have 3 candidates splitting the vote.

Both are far from unified.

blankall · 01-08-2008, 09:58 PM

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Hey, I resemble that remark! Seriously, I fall into that category and I don't think she's the best democrat and certainly not the best candidate overall.

She's divisive and that is my #1 can't have in a candidate quality.

I really don't see what makes here so devisive. She is a democrat w/ a strong religious base. The only reason people are pumping her up as devisive is because of her association w/ her husband. Clinton's administration wasn't considered devisive until Bush Jr. became president. Now most Americans, as reflected by opinion polls, realize it is time for change and there isn't a massive camp supporting Bush Jr. the way there was before.

blankall · 01-08-2008, 10:01 PM

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How do you figure the Republican vote is more unified? You have Giuliani, Romney, McCain and Huckabee...heck even Thompson polling in double digits in some places.

The dems have 3 candidates splitting the vote.

Both are far from unified.

I was referring to the polls taken which show how the republicans face off against the democrats. These polls occurred before the primaries began. At this point Guiliani was the clear favorite. In fact, all the Democrat vs. Republican polls occurred prior to these primaries.

Now I agree it is totally up in the air and we would see totally different results if republican vs. democrat polls were conducted.

edit: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ation-192.html
This link shows the Republican race

Displaced Flames fan · 01-08-2008, 10:02 PM

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I really don't see what makes here so devisive. She is a democrat w/ a strong religious base. The only reason people are pumping her up as devisive is because of her association w/ her husband. Clinton's administration wasn't considered devisive until Bush Jr. became president. Now most Americans, as reflected by opinion polls, realize it is time for change and there isn't a massive camp supporting Bush Jr. the way there was before.

Bill Clinton was never divisive! Who considers him divisive?

She has been alienating anyone right of center for the last 7 years. She's so far left of her husband it's not even funny. She was at the forefront of the 'hate Bush' movement in the Senate. Obama wasn't.

She's divisive. I wish she WAS Bill, then I would vote for her!

Phaneuf3 · 01-08-2008, 10:04 PM

new hampshire, you just made my list....

i threw up a little in my mouth when i read the title of this thread.

blankall · 01-08-2008, 10:12 PM

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Bill Clinton was never divisive! Who considers him divisive?

She has been alienating anyone right of center for the last 7 years. She's so far left of her husband it's not even funny. She was at the forefront of the 'hate Bush' movement in the Senate. Obama wasn't.

She's divisive. I wish she WAS Bill, then I would vote for her!

I've always been curious what Canadians find about her stance to be too left wing? Her major point is health care reform. Yes she is anti-Bush, but so is Obama. Obama openly criticizes Bush on Health Care, Gay marriage, and just about everything else.

If fact, he rates as more liberal than Hillary:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...f_Barack_Obama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary...ical_positions

Vulcan · 01-08-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Bill Clinton was never divisive! Who considers him divisive?

She has been alienating anyone right of center for the last 7 years. She's so far left of her husband it's not even funny. She was at the forefront of the 'hate Bush' movement in the Senate. Obama wasn't.

She's divisive. I wish she WAS Bill, then I would vote for her!

Well I never considered Bill divisive but during his regime, there was sure a lot of people who hated him. From the right wing blowhard radio DJs to government representatives who tried to have him impeached. I never did figure out why. Any insights?

Montana Moe · 01-08-2008, 11:45 PM

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Well I never considered Bill divisive but during his regime, there was sure a lot of people who hated him. From the right wing blowhard radio DJs to government representatives who tried to have him impeached. I never did figure out why. Any insights?

Jealousy.

feartheflames · 01-08-2008, 11:51 PM

well, she took the women vote- good for her. The race just got interesting

Winsor_Pilates · 01-09-2008, 12:20 AM

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well, she took the women vote- good for her. The race just got interesting

I'm not sure she'll take the women vote. Obama has Oprah backing him, and what Oprah says goes with a lot of American women.

HOZ · 01-09-2008, 12:29 AM

Finally some good cartoons coming out.

Displaced Flames fan · 01-09-2008, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

Well I never considered Bill divisive but during his regime, there was sure a lot of people who hated him. From the right wing blowhard radio DJs to government representatives who tried to have him impeached. I never did figure out why. Any insights?

Righwing talk radio will hate all democrats elected with very few exceptions.

And left wing celebrity and media types will do the same to all republicans.

Displaced Flames fan · 01-09-2008, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by blankall

I've always been curious what Canadians find about her stance to be too left wing? Her major point is health care reform. Yes she is anti-Bush, but so is Obama. Obama openly criticizes Bush on Health Care, Gay marriage, and just about everything else.

If fact, he rates as more liberal than Hillary:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...f_Barack_Obama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary...ical_positions

Well, I can't speak to that because I'm not Canadian. Clinton's message the last 4 years has been one of venom and vitrol. Obamas has been one of change.