I'm at a loss for words.........

[Dion]

Girls 'just felt right' murdering friend

TWO teenagers who wanted to experience murder told police it "felt right" to strangle a friend and bury her body in a shallow grave beneath her West Australian home.

"Sunday morning me and (her) woke up, and we were just talking, and for some reason we just decided to kill her," one of the girls told police in her interview.

One of them snuck up behind Eliza as she was reading, wrapped speaker wire twice around her throat and quickly tightened it as the other held her down, trying to press a chemical soaked cloth into her mouth.

"She started not being able to get her breath, and we just kept going," one of the girls said.

"She was just yelling at us `What the ######, what are you doing' .. `Oh you freaks, what's wrong with you psychos."

The girls regretted the fuss the killing caused but neither felt remorse for their dead friend, Mr Stone said.

"If she had died another way it probably would have bothered me ... but it just did not," one girl said.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...6-1245,00.html

[Jiggy]

Oh myy....

[Phanuthier]

I know this msg has been beaten to death, but I blame the violence on TV and in video games these days. I'm not normally a gamer, and I was over at a friends house playing that call of duty game and after 1 hour, I felt like I wanted to take a gun and start killing people. Obviously I didn't, but the second I had that thought in my mind, I was shocked at the impact games like that have on you.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I know this msg has been beaten to death, but I blame the violence on TV and in video games these days. I'm not normally a gamer, and I was over at a friends house playing that call of duty game and after 1 hour, I felt like I wanted to take a gun and start killing people. Obviously I didn't, but the second I had that thought in my mind, I was shocked at the impact games like that have on you.

I have been watching violent movies, and listen to rap music for years, till this day I never thought to myself should I go and choke some one to death....We live in one crazy asss world!

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I have been watching violent movies, and listen to rap music for years, till this day I never thought to myself should I go and choke some one to death....We live in one crazy asss world!

Yeah, well, I tend to be more sympathetic to my surrounding environment.

Obviously it won't affect everyone the same way... but for some people, it doesn't stimulate aggression.

[Caged Great]

People are getting more and more disturbed.....

[Otto-matic]

"As our friend, we did not really want her to suffer," one told police.

He said the girls had discussed killing someone else and one had prepared for homicide by killing two kittens.

They better get life in prison.

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

People are getting more and more disturbed.....

I really don't believe that, people have always been messed up and disturbed, murders and rapes didn't just start happening. There were children murderers before this and there will be after. The world is just becoming more of a world-community due to the media and especially the web, so we hear about these things on a regular basis instead of just hearing what goes on in our own community. I'm not saying its right, but it's always happened.

[Hack&Lube]

For lack of better words, some people are just "born-killers" or cold blooded with that instinct and disconnection with empathy or conscience, whether you believe in nature or nuture, I believe it's part of human nature, while a statistical abberation, these people do exist and I'm not at all surprised, nor shocked at all to see this.

[Dion]

Eliza was a talented schoolgirl who wanted to become a psychologist or a forensic scientist.

She had been friends with her killers - a psychologically-scared orphan and a drug-addicted Goth, who had a morbid obsession with death and had practised killing on two kittens.

All three teenagers had danced, smoked cannabis and snorted ``ice'', or methylamphetamine, together at a party in Collie on June 17, 2006.

They then reported Eliza missing and pretended to help with the search before finally turning themselves into police after deciding the grave was so shallow discovery was inevitable.

"We discussed what would happen if we sort of killed Eliza ... we both admitted we wouldn't care,'' one of the girls said in her subsequent interview with shocked police.

"I said do you want to? ... she said, yeah, and we did it.''

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/stor...005369,00.html

[HalifaxDrunk]

Man, thats sad......todays kids REALLY scare me. I pray my son grows up with the values I hope to teach him.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk

Man, thats sad......todays kids REALLY scare me. I pray my son grows up with the values I hope to teach him.

Look what that girl and her boyfriend did to her parents in Medicine Hat. She came from a good familiy. That's the scary part - you do your best to install values and morals and they still come out bad.

[maverickeastwood]

Everyone's getting a little sideways nowadays, it's just that this sorta thing gets way more exposure than ever... and I blame Oprah.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I know this msg has been beaten to death, but I blame the violence on TV and in video games these days. I'm not normally a gamer, and I was over at a friends house playing that call of duty game and after 1 hour, I felt like I wanted to take a gun and start killing people. Obviously I didn't, but the second I had that thought in my mind, I was shocked at the impact games like that have on you.

I'm going to have to steal fotze's argument and ask what games and movies Hitler played as a youth?

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I'm going to have to steal fotze's argument and ask what games and movies Hitler played as a youth?

Ask yourselves why New York City just reported its lowest murder rate in 40 years.

There have always been psycho's in any society. We just have better means of communicating their stories globally.

Cowperson

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by fotze

Wasn't Elvis blamed for the downfall of society in his day?

This is a bit nerdy, I guess--but "juvenile delinquency" scares is a part of my dissertation research, so I can indeed confirm that Elvis was at the center of a firestorm over youth culture, and indeed that scares over the behaviour of youth are something that goes back at least as far as the 1940s, and is probably something that's been around since time immemorial. The truth is that the statistics don't back it up. Youths in 1900 weren't less violent than youths in 1954--and youths in 2007 aren't more violent than youths in 1976. I suppose it's in part a reaction to youth culture's generally greater comfort with the dialects of the lower class which make middle class parents feel unsettled--which is why, for instance, so many blame rap music for the behaviour of white suburban children today.

This is a sad and shocking story--but as Cow says, it reflects that some people just have something wrong with them, and do evil, awful things. But that's always been true.

[Resolute 14]

It's not just todays kids...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brenda_Ann_Spencer

[llama64]

This is nothing new. Psychopathic behaviour has existed since the dawn of human civilization. Every conceivable external influence has been blamed for causing such vulgar actions, and yet such events still occur.

You can blame two girls who have ZERO regard for the welfare of their peers for this horrid act.

If violent media has this type of effect on people, murders of this nature would be occurring at least 2-3 times a week.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I was over at a friends house playing that call of duty game and after 1 hour, I felt like I wanted to take a gun and start killing people.

Are you serious? Honestly, I can't tell.

If so, do you have a history of being really impressionable or something?

I've been a pretty avid gamer for sometime now playing some pretty violent games and I couldn't kill a squirrel.

[Ford Prefect]

Such a lack of a sense of consequences and being so disconnected from reality suggests the two Aussie girls might have fetal alcohol syndrome.