Star Trek (XI) - GO SEE IT!

[CaptainCrunch]

Why I hate Star Trek movies (some swearing)

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Nemesis/Pictorial-1.html

[I-Hate-Hulse]

When TOS was cast 40 some years ago, it was a bold and daring choice to have an Japanese man play a Japanese character.

I find it pretty ironic that 40 years later, they have to resort to someone Chinese as there are no other Japanese or Asian actors of sufficient prominence to take a role. *

And GLAAD is worried about gay representation in media. Uh-huh...


Zoe - wow! It's OK to say Uhura's hot again. Bring on the miniskirts! I see she's in James Cameron's Avatar - could be big things ahead for this girl. [EDIT: Bring on the fandance! )


* Kung fu guys like Jet and Jackie don't count

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

When TOS was cast 40 some years ago, it was a bold and daring choice to have an Japanese man play a Japanese character.

I find it pretty ironic that 40 years later, they have to resort to someone Chinese as there are no other Japanese or Asian actors of sufficient prominence to take a role. *


* Kung fu guys like Jet and Jackie don't count

Am I the only one that finds it ironic that in his comments about not being able to find a Japanese actor of promince to play Sulu, he precludes two Chinese guys because they are Kung-Fu types, instead of because they aren't Japanese!

[STeeLy]

Uh... I believe John Cho is Korean..

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Whoops - my bad. John Cho is Korean. But my original point holds since I can't think of any mainstream Asian actors with enough star power to land this role.

BBS - Jet and Jackie got excluded by me as they're the chopsocky stereotype that Hollywood really only seems to use Asians for. They'd never get considered for anything other than those kung fu roles.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Nehkara

Also, it is worth it to note that this movie is being considered a blockbuster with a prime release date and a budget of $150-160 million.

Obviously not all blockbusters are good movies but Paramount IS giving the money, people, and effort required to make the film a success.

Yikes! They're going to have to sell a lot of tickets just to break even. Could be another Waterworld disaster.

My feelings is this one will be a flop. Too many Trekkie movies have been made in the past and it will be tough to drum up a lot of excitement with this one. I enjoyed some of the ones in the past, howver I won't be going to see this one. Maybe when it hits the discount bin at Walmart some years down the road.

[Yeah_Baby]

is the Kirk casting confirmed?

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

When TOS was cast 40 some years ago, it was a bold and daring choice to have an Japanese man play a Japanese character.

I find it pretty ironic that 40 years later, they have to resort to someone Chinese as there are no other Japanese or Asian actors of sufficient prominence to take a role. *

And GLAAD is worried about gay representation in media. Uh-huh...


Zoe - wow! It's OK to say Uhura's hot again. Bring on the miniskirts! I see she's in James Cameron's Avatar - could be big things ahead for this girl. [EDIT: Bring on the fandance! )


* Kung fu guys like Jet and Jackie don't count
BBS - Jet and Jackie got excluded by me as they're the chopsocky stereotype that Hollywood really only seems to use Asians for. They'd never get considered for anything other than those kung fu roles.

Sigh, even as somebody who is pointing out racial differences in Asians...You failed to notice that John Cho is Korean. But I guess that's just more evidence of why the general public and hollywood wouldn't be able to spot the difference either...nor care. People keep trying to be polictically correctly and yet failing to differentiate Chinese from Vietnamese from Japanese from Korean.

But it's okay as Sulu is not a Japanese name despite his first name Hikaru. It's a made up asiatic name as Roddenberry intended him to be representative of all of Asia. BTW, in your political correctness, I can't believe you label Jet Li and Jackie Chan as "chopsocky". It's actually quite a racially disparaging remark. Then again, Zoe is Latina and not Black, the actor playing McCoy is from New Zealand and is not American. Simon Pegg is not Scottish but British...and William Shatner is Jewish (but perhaps not Kirk).

But in any case, you are right that there is really never going to be much of anything but a niche role for Asians in Hollywood for quite some time. John Cho is 35 and the most prominent role he's been in (despite his lengthy experience) is Harold and Kumar.

[STeeLy]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Sigh, even as somebody who is pointing out racial differences in Asians...You failed to notice that John Cho is Korean. But I guess that's just more evidence of why the general public and hollywood wouldn't be able to spot the difference either...nor care. People keep trying to be polictically correctly and yet failing to differentiate Chinese from Vietnamese from Japanese from Korean.

In all fairness, the Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans and Japanese don't look all that much different from each other. You really can't blame people if they can't tell the difference between the different oriental races... hell, there are some Asians who can't tell the difference between a Chinese and a Vietnamese.

That and also... There are similar last names between many of the Oriental Countries (with the Japanese as an exception), so even by just looking at a name, its hard to tell the difference.

[Hakan]

In all fairness, the Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans and Japanese don't look all that much different from each other. You really can't blame people if they can't tell the difference between the different oriental races... hell, there are some Asians who can't tell the difference between a Chinese and a Vietnamese.

Wow.

People like you actually exist?

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Hakan

Wow.

People like you actually exist?

Would you care to qualify that?

First of all, most of my friends treat people equal. Meaning the same. Meaning we don't go out of our way to determine ethnicity in order to decide how we plan on interecting with somebody.

Secondly, I have seen first hand that mistake being made. My friend who is Japanese and I were having dinner in Chinatown. One of the waiters came up to our table and asked in Chinese "Is XXXX your father?" (Father is one of the 50 Chinese words I happen to know from my childhood friend being Chinese.) My Japanese friend looked puzzeled, so I responded in English "No, my friend is Japanese." The waiter appologized and walked away. A short time later, our own waiter asked if I spoke Chinese, and I explained that I knew a few words. He laughed because he said his friend was not expecting the white guy to understand him but the asian guy to not.

[STeeLy]

Originally Posted by Hakan

Wow.

People like you actually exist?

I don't understand your comment here.

I am Chinese, and there are times where I can't tell the difference between my own race and Koreans or Vietnamese. Can you really blame me for not being able to tell the difference? I don't think so. It's like people not being able to tell the difference between Americans and Canadians.

I agree with Ken, it really doesn't matter to me what race anyone is, I treat them all the same, and if I don't, it will never be because of their race but their personality.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

, I can't believe you label Jet Li and Jackie Chan as "chopsocky". It's actually quite a racially disparaging remark.

Uhh no. Chopsocky refers to a particular genre of movie. Low budget, fromage, and lots of good old fashioned arse kicking. It's an insult to a movie to be called that ("Hey Seagal - Exit Wounds was a piece of chopsocky!"). Jet and Jackie are the de facto faces of that genre.

[BavarianHorde]

Originally Posted by lambeburger

Yeah it will be William Shatner making sure you get enough fiber in your breakfast.

LOL!

Or just making sure Spock doesn't have as many lines as he does.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

Uhh no. Chopsocky refers to a particular genre of movie. Low budget, fromage, and lots of good old fashioned arse kicking. It's an insult to a movie to be called that ("Hey Seagal - Exit Wounds was a piece of chopsocky!"). Jet and Jackie are the de facto faces of that genre.

Many asians find "Chopsocky" denigrating (also the implications of chopsticks) and Chopsocky is not reflective of Jet and Jackie's genres aside from maybe Jackie's output in the 70s...it's also disparaging as you obviously have no awareness of their films in Asia aside from the horribly done dubs and transfers brought to America.

Sorry I'm getting antsy, it's just that on one hand you are walking the highground of blaming hollywood for settling for Asian stereotypes and no finding a Japanese actor for a traditionally Japanese character and then you continue on to denigrate the big asian actors that have for a sense "made it" in the international scene and disparage a great deal of Asian filmmaknig which you are totally ignorant of (where these actors actually have deep and dramatic roles that have been at international film festivals). First you say that it's sad that Hollywood has not come out with any big asian actors and then you call what asian actors there are for being defacto "chopsocky". What came first, the chicken or the egg? What a hypocritical stance.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Many asians find "Chopsocky" denigrating (also the implications of chopsticks) and Chopsocky is not reflective of Jet and Jackie's genres aside from maybe Jackie's output in the 70s...it's also disparaging as you obviously have no awareness of their films in Asia aside from the horribly done dubs and transfers brought to America.

Sorry I'm getting antsy, it's just that on one hand you are walking the highground of blaming hollywood for settling for Asian stereotypes and no finding a Japanese actor for a traditionally Japanese character and then you continue on to denigrate the big asian actors that have for a sense "made it" in the international scene and disparage a great deal of Asian filmmaknig which you are totally ignorant of (where these actors actually have deep and dramatic roles that have been at international film festivals). First you say that it's sad that Hollywood has not come out with any big asian actors and then you call what asian actors there are for being defacto "chopsocky". What came first, the chicken or the egg? What a hypocritical stance.

Dude, you seem to be thinking I'm slamming Jet and Jackie personally, but I'm really slamming Hollywood and it's establishment. For Hollywood they do kung fu and aren't considered for anything else, bad remake of King and I and Crouching (sort of) aside. That's a diss against Hollywood's casting and producer decisions and not the actors themselves or their international accomplishments so I'm not sure how you're twisting me into being critical of their achievements.

I hardly think "SuperCop" or "Rumble in the Bronx" has opened up legions of acting roles for Asian actors. Why yes.... the other day I say a Hollywood movie where an Asian didn't know kung fu or was really good at math and science. Oh wait, I didn't.

I guess that's your personal view on the matter and personal perception of a word since all the references I find to chopsocky are to the genre, and not a personal insult. Google chopsocky and tell me how the word is used more often, genre or slur? I do, resent being called out as a racist on this by you since you seem to have gyrated my original well meant intent to highlight Hollywood's inequity into some crazy hypocritical stance. Since it appears we're not going to agree on anything....

Lets get back on topic, the almighty Trek.

[Nehkara]

Cast list updated.

[Yeah_Baby]

Bruce Greenwood as Pike.

[Nehkara]

Updated. Added Jennifer Morrison and Bruce Greenwood.

[underGRADFlame]

Anyone else see the pics of Quinto as Spock yet, it's spooky how much he looks like nimoy. Link