[Signing] Flames sign Zadorov to 1 year deal worth $3.75 mil

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes, you wait for specialists. Though you can get a private MRI, so that is exactly what he wants. I took “doctors appointments” to mean just going to see a GP. I can get in tomorrow, and walk in clinics are a thing as well. And, as I said, dentists are private anyway, so any wait is just business.

Well I definitely don't advocate taking everything Z says as a holly script. It's his opinion, and in a way it might reflect an opinion players have of Calgary. We as fans are not often exposed to what NHLers think of Calgary, Canada, and things that occur in their daily lives outside of hockey.

That's why I was really debating avoiding this topic in general. On my end I just translated his thoughts without attempting to correct things like waiting for dental. I'm guessing he just didn't need to go to the dentist here yet, so he just put it in the general category of healthcare services.

Finally, I think it's easier to get things out of context whenever they're translated. I try to get the message across, but sometimes it's difficult because everyone reads and comprehends something slightly different. I simply thought he was having a conversation of his impressions. It wasn't like he was going into a political debate on the subject.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I know I definitely had to wait for half a year for an MRI, and about the same length of time when I was assigned a neurologist(about 3 months I believe). That was in 2010 though, so I don't have any more recent experiences. As far as dental, and family doctor, yeah that stuff goes by quickly.

To me it seemed that he was disappointed he couldn't get his 1 year old vaccinated(not from COVID), but just the regular set of vaccines that they do around that age.

He said it was for a doctor’s or dentist’s appointment - not for an MRI. Dentists of course are exactly as private here as they are in the US.

Regular vaccinations are handled by family doctors and family doctors have been basically operating status quo even during covid. I can’t see how that at all relates to our single payer system.

Sometimes it’s easy to confuse someone who says something well with someone who actually knows what they are talking about. He’s been here about 6 months and speaks as if he has become an expert on our health care system and taxation.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Dude why keep bringing dentists into it? Literally all he says is that dental isnt free and he doesnt have benefits... still trying to see what was "a whole bunch of BS" . Cause what he said is all factually true or very close.

Nah, he says you have to wait, which (a) isn’t true and (b) has nothing to do with the healthcare system (which he then almost admits). There’s a whole bunch of detail that just isn’t true. It’s been provided above. That’s all.

[ben voyonsdonc]

And gvitaly this is definitely not an issue with you. You did a great job translating and Zadorov sounds like a super cool guy as long as he isn’t talking about the stuff that he literally has no idea about.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Waiting 3-4 months for a doctors or dentist appointment is BS.

The fact that they have to wait for a vaccine for their child because the system is free is BS.

There is absolutely a private element of health care in Canada - every doctor is private and many of the facilities are in fact corporations. There are many surgeries that you can pay out of pocket for. What Zadorov wants is a system that has two tiers and rich people like him can pay to get ahead of other people who need the same surgery.

He didn't say he wants this, he simply said this is how it is the US, and not in Canada. Just a simple statement (that isn't entirely inaccurate).

You are reacting to it through the lens of your own beliefs, and are reacting accordingly.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He didn't say he wants this, he simply said this is how it is the US, and not in Canada. Just a simple statement (that isn't entirely inaccurate).

You are reacting to it through the lens of your own beliefs, and are reacting accordingly.

Well, he did say he preferred it. Which I don’t blame him for from his perspective.

[Manhattanboy]

Russia would be a fascinating place to visit. I would like Big Z to be my tour guide/body guard.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Btw, I apologize for the thread derail. As I said, Zad sounds like a good guy and I think he has proven to be a good addition to the team. I think he probably has a very limited experience with our health care system and as a very, very rich person has a skewed view of it.

[AC]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Btw, I apologize for the thread derail. As I said, Zad sounds like a good guy and I think he has proven to be a good addition to the team. I think he probably has a very limited experience with our health care system and as a very, very rich person has a skewed view of it.

It's also almost entirely through the context of mid-pandemic life, which has to skew some perceptions no doubt. Regardless, it's incredibly interesting hearing an honest opinion from an extremely rich foreign player on our city and country as a whole.

As mentioned, I'm not surprised by it and would bet the Swedish opinion is more favourable overall as Canada is a more similar country in a lot of ways.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

When have you ever waited months for a doctor or dentist appointment (and dentists have nothing to do with free health care). 3 month wait for vaccines? Maybe Covid vaxxed but that was because of availability of new supply and the rollout targeting older folks, not because of free health care. Certainly not for any other vaxx.

Exactly, I booked my Covid vax and got it in a week. I booked my flu shot, and got it in a couple of days. Denist? A couple of days. And I'm just ordinary citizen, not upper class. I do have to wait 3 months for my MRI.

[TheChief]

After reading some of Zadorovs comments, you can see why its so hard to attract free agents to Canada.That NHL paid for health insurance that he talks about seems to be an amazing benefit.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Btw, I apologize for the thread derail. As I said, Zad sounds like a good guy and I think he has proven to be a good addition to the team. I think he probably has a very limited experience with our health care system and as a very, very rich person has a skewed view of it.

It isn't particularly skewed though - it is simply the view of someone who is rich and privileged (which some people are).

Anyway, I too apologize for the thread derail

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

It seems that Russians perceive Canada as an overtaxed and over regulated Country. Likely a big reason why when given the choice they typically avoid signing with Canadian teams unless it's an overpayment.

Whereas Swedish players seem to be less bothered by it the taxes, and do not seem to avoid playing in Canada as much.

There is no way he will resign here unless the team severely overpays.

It's almost as if these players come from vastly different cultures, especially when it comes to individualism vs. collectivism. Not shocking at all.

[bigrangy]

I do think that it’s interesting that Toronto has sort of worked themselves around the usual customs process. I wonder what that is costing them. Seems like it would be something for the Flames to do too.

[AC]

Even if his information is flat out wrong in some cases, it's possible his views align with the pre-conceived assumptions many non-Canadians have about living in Canada.

We all know for Canadian teams in general, and Calgary especially, there's an uphill battle when it comes to attracting free agents. Coleman is maybe the most interesting one in recent years being an American that surely had his pick of many options. I'm sure we offered near the top but it doesn't seem like we overpaid drastically to convince him either. He spoke openly about Calgary as a good place for a young family.

[Enoch Root]

Zadorov's comments were not anti-Canada or anti-Calgary. Far from it, in fact. He had lots of great things to say about Calgary. He was asked questions about the differences playing in different cities and on both sides of the border. And he answered those questions honestly, favoring some things about the US, and some things about Canada.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

When have you ever waited months for a doctor or dentist appointment (and dentists have nothing to do with free health care). 3 month wait for vaccines? Maybe Covid vaxxed but that was because of availability of new supply and the rollout targeting older folks, not because of free health care. Certainly not for any other vaxx.

Ever had an MRI or a hip/knee replacement? Ever had to see a specialist for lung issues or a rheumatologist? Maybe do some of these things then let us know.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Ever had an MRI or a hip/knee replacement? Ever had to see a specialist for lung issues or a rheumatologist? Maybe do some of these things then let us know.

Yes. And I kinda doubt those were what he was talking about.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Regular vaccinations are handled by family doctors and family doctors have been basically operating status quo even during covid. I can’t see how that at all relates to our single payer system.

I didn't have a family doctor for several years because I couldn't find one near me that was accepting new patients. The single-payer system created that shortage, as I recall, by slashing medical-school enrolment in the 1990s as a cost-cutting measure. And during COVID, my GP's clinic was closed down for a considerable time and was only doing phone appointments except for emergencies. (They, of course, decided what counted as an emergency.)

[Sandman]

There are problems with our healthcare system, but I would much rather do it this way. In the US, either you're rich or you're screwed. We still take care of the sick, the poor, and the old. This is just one of the reasons that we here in Canada are generally happier, and more content, and every survey you can find lists Canada as one of the top-five best countries in the world to live. They shoot each other in the streets because they have a miserable existence, constantly teetering on the edge. OK I'm done.