2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by bluejays

That’s very annoying to hear. The team has the luxury of being in a Canadian market with a following. The idea of people not supporting the team through a rebuild is a story ownership is telling themselves. The continuous mediocrity will kill the fanbase more than a rebuild where you draft well and there’s hope and a buzz around the team. If you don’t have that the team slowly leaches into less and less interest. The ownership man…

I mean the dome was half empty when the team last truly sucked. OTOH there were way less people in Calgary and the economy wasn't that great either.

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I'm for trading Coleman if we can get a good return.

I'm also totally fine if he's here for the rest of his contract and his play continues to be an excellent example to the kids joining the team of how to compete every night and play a 200ft game.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by bluejays

That’s very annoying to hear. The team has the luxury of being in a Canadian market with a following. The idea of people not supporting the team through a rebuild is a story ownership is telling themselves. The continuous mediocrity will kill the fanbase more than a rebuild where you draft well and there’s hope and a buzz around the team. If you don’t have that the team slowly leaches into less and less interest. The ownership man…

There was never a scenario where the team was going to strip it down, it will be a retool. I am not saying it is the right direction or isn't, just what you can expect.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Shazam

I mean the dome was half empty when the team last truly sucked. OTOH there were way less people in Calgary and the economy wasn't that great either.

Team had 100% attendance in 2013-2014 which was statistically their worst year ever?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Team had 100% attendance in 2013-2014 which was statistically their worst year ever?

Eh they were worse in the late 90s.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

the people who want a rebuild are being impatient?

Like anything there are different groups.

The people who actually want a teardown re-build and are truly happy when the team loses.

The people who say they want a re-build, yet then complain when the team loses and say how embarrassing it is for the team to lose.

The people who want a re-build but have resigned themselves to the fact ownership will never do a full tear down and hope they can get lucky with a re-tool and maybe win the lottery (this is where I am).

The people who at this point still celebrate the wins, but really aren't that disappointed if they lose. Probably more fall into the camp that a re-tool can be successful and you don't need to strip it down completely.

And the people who never give up hope, believe the team is better than they truly are, and still have a good shot at the playoffs no matter what their record says (really this is just Dino7c).

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

the people who want a rebuild are being impatient?

I think the people calling for a rebuild would be complaining a lot the team sucked. I very well could be wrong about that though. Sure, we could be contending in 4-5 years but what if it ends up being like Buffalo? How many of the tear it down crowd are ok with a ten year drought?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think the people calling for a rebuild would be complaining a lot the team sucked. I very well could be wrong about that though. Sure, we could be contending in 4-5 years but what if it ends up being like Buffalo? How many of the year it down crowd are ok with a ten year drought?

I am fine with that risk.

You'd get to see a lot of rookies come and go. I think that's interesting in and of itself. Certainly beats the pants out of watching vets playing on retirement contracts, and journeymen.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Team had 100% attendance in 2013-2014 which was statistically their worst year ever?

The economy was very strong in that timeframe as I remember buying a house in 2014 and the pricing was insane and the inventory moved quick. The job market was hot I switched careers in late 13/14 and had multiple offers to sift through.

Fast forward to the teams best season in 2022 and as a season ticket holder I am struggling to sell my seats for my season ticket holder cost if I tried to sell them 1-3 days out from the game. Even in the playoffs I bought a second set of tickets that were Ticketmaster pricing and I was desperate on a few days selling those tickets at cost (when I thought it was a slam dunk money making investment that guaranteed I got to go to every game as I split my tickets 3 ways that year).

The construction and parking around the Dome is absolutely brutal right now. The building is beyond expired but prices have continued to go up across the board. 2013-2014 was a forced rebuild that everyone wanted because the teals best players were 35/36 and needed to move on. This current team was as close to a contender as they had been since 04 and in 2 years the team has completely changed but the org is locked into several high priced deals that make a tear down rebuild less of a clear cut direction as trying to retool the team. Certainly this team could be delaying the inevitable but I do not see them doing what Ottawa did 6 years ago and declare the tear down is on. 6 years later Ottawa has some major building blocks in place but they are capped out and still terrible and about to lose another in prime piece they tried to acquire to get over the hump (Debrincat and Chychrun)

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The economy was very strong in that timeframe as I remember buying a house in 2014 and the pricing was insane and the inventory moved quick. The job market was hot I switched careers in late 13/14 and had multiple offers to sift through.

Fast forward to the teams best season in 2022 and as a season ticket holder I am struggling to sell my seats for my season ticket holder cost if I tried to sell them 1-3 days out from the game. Even in the playoffs I bought a second set of tickets that were Ticketmaster pricing and I was desperate on a few days selling those tickets at cost (when I thought it was a slam dunk money making investment that guaranteed I got to go to every game as I split my tickets 3 ways that year).

The construction and parking around the Dome is absolutely brutal right now. The building is beyond expired but prices have continued to go up across the board. 2013-2014 was a forced rebuild that everyone wanted because the teals best players were 35/36 and needed to move on. This current team was as close to a contender as they had been since 04 and in 2 years the team has completely changed but the org is locked into several high priced deals that make a tear down rebuild less of a clear cut direction as trying to retool the team. Certainly this team could be delaying the inevitable but I do not see them doing what Ottawa did 6 years ago and declare the tear down is on. 6 years later Ottawa has some major building blocks in place but they are capped out and still terrible and about to lose another in prime piece they tried to acquire to get over the hump (Debrincat and Chychrun)

While Calgary was doing pretty well before October 2014, the crash hit this city hard yet we still had 100% attendance in 2015/2016 when we picked 6th overall.

A lot of the problems impacting the Flames attendance right now could also be said about many other Canadian teams/cities and are not a uniquely Calgary problem.

But I don't think comparing the potential attendance of this team in a rebuild to the late 90s Flames is a very genuine argument.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think the people calling for a rebuild would be complaining a lot the team sucked. I very well could be wrong about that though. Sure, we could be contending in 4-5 years but what if it ends up being like Buffalo? How many of the tear it down crowd are ok with a ten year drought?

I hear you. But my belief with the population as a whole is you have to have legitimate hope of a bright future. If your team is mediocre for a long time fans slowly start bleeding off. We’ve more or less established you have to have a star or two to build around. That star doesn’t exist in the organization. The best chance is to draft high. Being in the middle of the pack is death by 1000 cuts instead of ripping the bandaid off. It’s not you, it’s the organizations view on how to get there that’s so frustrating. They have a false narrative to justify their lust for playoff revenue.

[Monahammer]

Everyone is suddenly interested in trading Coleman, and I get why, but IMO our most valuable pure asset is probably Weegar- cost controlled, top pairing d man who hasn't lost a step on his point production pace even on a horrible club.

I don't think we're shopping or going to trade him, but IMO that is who we could probably get the most in return for. Coleman might be second now.

Markstrom should be traded for literally anything to a club he would accept a trade to. I know people get enamoured with his streaks but the contract is just going to weigh us down.

It would be smarter to trade Kadri then keep him if there is anyone interested, but I suspect he would personally block it. We're probably stuck with him and Huberdeau.

All FAs should be traded.

[Monahammer]

We aren't and have never been buffalo nor edmonton. We would never run a rebuild the same pathetic way either of those clubs did. But trading off assets and rebuilding something from scratch doesn't have to be modeled on the two worst examples of that ever. + as mentioned above we are likely stuck with several high paid assets that will act as some ballast to the roster (though IMO it is very debatable whether you want those guys to be the core mentality to rebuild around. )

[flambers]

Its likely tough to move the pending UFAs, by the trade deadline

Let alone Coleman etc.

Each are sizeable trades, just don't see that type of stuff very often

[Monahammer]

Which is precisely the reason it should have started way sooner. Lindholm has only decreased his value as the season has progressed. He would have been a perfect guy to sell on early in the season.

[flambers]

Oh I agree, Flames are taking a risk..... That the value might be higher at the trade deadline.

[NewFan]

I don't see any other options other than rebuild. If our main players were the real superstars at around 26-28 years old then I can see the team can go for retool. But they are too old and not skilled enough to carry to team. And there is almost nobody coming from our prospect pool except Wolf.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Everyone is suddenly interested in trading Coleman, and I get why, but IMO our most valuable pure asset is probably Weegar- cost controlled, top pairing d man who hasn't lost a step on his point production pace even on a horrible club.

I don't think we're shopping or going to trade him, but IMO that is who we could probably get the most in return for. Coleman might be second now.

Markstrom should be traded for literally anything to a club he would accept a trade to. I know people get enamoured with his streaks but the contract is just going to weigh us down.

It would be smarter to trade Kadri then keep him if there is anyone interested, but I suspect he would personally block it. We're probably stuck with him and Huberdeau.

All FAs should be traded.

Markstrom only has 2 years left on his deal after this year. It’s becoming way less of a burden. He hasn’t been streaky this year either. he’s been very consistent. The team in front of him has been streaky.

I don’t think anyone is untouchable, but you can’t just trade everyone. Teams need vets. Even rebuilding ones. Mackinnon was on a team with Tanguay and Iginla in his second year.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Markstrom only has 2 years left on his deal after this year. It’s becoming way less of a burden. He hasn’t been streaky this year either. he’s been very consistent. The team in front of him has been streaky.

I don’t think anyone is untouchable, but you can’t just trade everyone. Teams need vets. Even rebuilding ones. Mackinnon was on a team with Tanguay and Iginla in his second year.

Sign cheaper vets when the time is right. The time is now (ideally yesterday) to cash in value for today’s vets for draft assets. Todays vets don’t have to be tomorrow's mentors.

[TheIronMaiden]

For the right price, no trade should be off the table.

That said, Guys Like Weeger, Anderson, Kyllinton, Zary and Coleman should be untouchable. They are players who want to be here and that will be damn important once the real losing starts.