2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think Hanifin at least gets the H. Lindholm package. 1st and a couple 2nds

If there's an extension to be had, sure. Without the acquiring team knowing if Hanifin is open to an extension or not, we don't get that type of return.

At the end of the day, with those three UFAs - if we can acquire the equivelant to three 1st round picks it's an absolute win for the organization and helps Conroy define the team going forward.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Mackinnon also was lucky enough to have Crosby as a non-team mentor (Crosby took a special interest due to the home town connection).

Mackinnon also had Stastney, Sarich, Tanguay and Parenteau as veterans around him in his rookie year. And Iginla in year two.

I hear he was a leader during his time in the NHL.

The Avs also added veteran Daniel Briere in year two.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Chicago picks up their mentors for UFA money, like Foligno.

No reason to spend assets.

and Perry, maybe they don't know WTF they are doing

[butterfly]

Every team in the league has veterans.

It’s no reason to prevent trading one of them because they will mentor some star draft pick that we don’t even have yet.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If there's an extension to be had, sure. Without the acquiring team knowing if Hanifin is open to an extension or not, we don't get that type of return.

At the end of the day, with those three UFAs - if we can acquire the equivelant to three 1st round picks it's an absolute win for the organization and helps Conroy define the team going forward.

Agreed. Where I’m a little skeptical is that teams seem to be really leery of dealing firsts these days. Last year was an extreme. I think what I typed is what they should be getting if teams would deal a first. But tbd if they do. What would be nice is to negotiate the ability to swap first rounders in future years as well. Much like Montreal bent over Treliving for taking on a year of Monahan.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Every team in the league has veterans.

It’s no reason to prevent trading one of them because they will mentor some star draft pick that we don’t even have yet.

Maybe those players should be referred to as mentors then.

Veteran just means someone who has played in the league for awhile.
Not a big deal if it is just experience.

But acquiring and retaining mentors for your prospects as they enter the league is incredibly important.

The role that Brett Sutter plays for the Wranglers is that sort of distinction.
Invaluable in a sense because of the mentor he is, not because of how many years he has played in the league.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by butterfly

they will mentor some star draft pick that we don’t even have yet.

its not about just mentoring a star player.

Its about mentoring every young player that comes up to the club.
From Coronato to Pospisil.
You need players that will mentor the proper way to be a professional at the NHL level.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by shutout

Maybe those players should be referred to as mentors then.

Veteran just means someone who has played in the league for awhile.
Not a big deal if it is just experience.

But acquiring and retaining mentors for your prospects as they enter the league is incredibly important.

The role that Brett Sutter plays for the Wranglers is that sort of distinction.
Invaluable in a sense because of the mentor he is, not because of how many years he has played in the league.

I don’t think it’s the term. It’s the notion we have to keep a guy like Coleman or Kadri because of their leadership value. Kadri’s contract in particular will be an anchor for awhile. Rather deal him to get out from it, and sign a cheap vet for mentorship.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I don’t think it’s the term. It’s the notion we have to keep a guy like Coleman or Kadri because of their leadership value. Kadri’s contract in particular will be an anchor for awhile. Rather deal him to get out from it, and sign a cheap vet for mentorship.

Kadri and Coleman are totally different. If anyone wants to take on Kadri’s contract then they can have him for free.

[traptor]

Andrew copp + 6th got a 1st(late) + 2nd + 5th + Morgan barron
Todd bertuzzi got a 1st (late)+4th
RoR got 1st(late) +2nd+3rd+abramov+gaudette
Horvat got 1st (17th) + raty + beauvillier



Have to think lindholm easily gets more then the first two and somewhere closer to the second two.

Pick value wise it's probably a 1st (late) + 2nd + 3rd.

So 1st+Ritchie would be a good deal.

Or something like
Lambert+2nd+3rd
1st+lohrei

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Every team in the league has veterans.

It’s no reason to prevent trading one of them because they will mentor some star draft pick that we don’t even have yet.

see my Perry post
you want the right ones

[Blaster86]

Lindholm will get you the Horvat package. That has to be what the Flames are targeting. A (hopefully not lottery protected) 1st round pick, a good prospect and player who can slide into an NHL roster or get flipped for another asset later.


For the record, this is a good return. You get assets you can either use or move to fill other holes.

[Poe969]

The wranglers are a good team. The Flames aren't. Who exactly is Coleman mentoring? Sure, Pittsburgh had Mario to mentor Crosby, but they didn't go out and get Mario because they got Crosby. They tanked to get a HOF guy like Lemieux and were lucky enough to win the lottery and get Crosby.

The Flames don't have a Mario OR a Crosby. They have Blake Coleman and some young players. It's not like we have bedard or celebrini and we're debating about keeping our HOF star player. Blake Coleman. He's good, but come on. Trading Coleman will actually give this team a better shot at getting a star prospect because they'll get a better pick without him PLUS they'll get assets for trading him. Worry about mentors after you have someone to actually mentor.

What if trading Coleman today guarantees you the pick to get Tij Iginla? Do you not mKe that deal because you want Coleman to mentor Samuel Honzek???

Some people just fall in love with players and don't want to make changes. It's the "let's give this team one more chance" or "anything can happen" BS that kills this team.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by shutout

its not about just mentoring a star player.

Its about mentoring every young player that comes up to the club.
From Coronato to Pospisil.
You need players that will mentor the proper way to be a professional at the NHL level.

Backlund can do that and they can even play on his line. I’d be fine giving him 1 year deals until he’s ready to retire. Plays the same way every year.

If someone wants to give us something good for Coleman then we better take it instead of thinking we need a mentorship program for Poirier or Kuznetsov or Honzek.

The insiders have said in this thread that Kadri doesn’t want to leave so he’s another one who can do it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

and Perry, maybe they don't know WTF they are doing

Up until , well, you know, Perry was considered quite good LOL.

Foligno broke his hand defending Bedard.

Regardless, they don't need to give up big assets for veteran leadership.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The wranglers are a good team. The Flames aren't. Who exactly is Coleman mentoring? Sure, Pittsburgh had Mario to mentor Crosby, but they didn't go out and get Mario because they got Crosby. They tanked to get a HOF guy like Lemieux and were lucky enough to win the lottery and get Crosby.

The Flames don't have a Mario OR a Crosby. They have Blake Coleman and some young players. It's not like we have bedard or celebrini and we're debating about keeping our HOF star player. Blake Coleman. He's good, but come on. Trading Coleman will actually give this team a better shot at getting a star prospect because they'll get a better pick without him PLUS they'll get assets for trading him. Worry about mentors after you have someone to actually mentor.

What if trading Coleman today guarantees you the pick to get Tij Iginla? Do you not mKe that deal because you want Coleman to mentor Samuel Honzek???

Some people just fall in love with players and don't want to make changes. It's the "let's give this team one more chance" or "anything can happen" BS that kills this team.

When’s the last time someone Coleman’s age and term was traded for anything decent though? He also a NTC. Any trade for him likely means taking back a bad contract and a mediocre asset.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The wranglers are a good team. The Flames aren't. Who exactly is Coleman mentoring? Sure, Pittsburgh had Mario to mentor Crosby, but they didn't go out and get Mario because they got Crosby. They tanked to get a HOF guy like Lemieux and were lucky enough to win the lottery and get Crosby.

The Flames don't have a Mario OR a Crosby. They have Blake Coleman and some young players. It's not like we have bedard or celebrini and we're debating about keeping our HOF star player. Blake Coleman. He's good, but come on. Trading Coleman will actually give this team a better shot at getting a star prospect because they'll get a better pick without him PLUS they'll get assets for trading him. Worry about mentors after you have someone to actually mentor.

What if trading Coleman today guarantees you the pick to get Tij Iginla? Do you not mKe that deal because you want Coleman to mentor Samuel Honzek???

Some people just fall in love with players and don't want to make changes. It's the "let's give this team one more chance" or "anything can happen" BS that kills this team.

A mentor doesn't have to be an elite player like, presumably, Mario was. Do you think McDavid would be a good mentor?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Lindholm will get you the Horvat package. That has to be what the Flames are targeting. A (hopefully not lottery protected) 1st round pick, a good prospect and player who can slide into an NHL roster or get flipped for another asset later.


For the record, this is a good return. You get assets you can either use or move to fill other holes.

Teams aren't trading non-lottery protected picks these days. Or, at least, with some lottery protection of top 3 picks or so.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Lots of players don’t (that I’m aware of, anyway) and do just fine. Kopitar is going to the hall of fame. Who did MacKinnon live with?

The point is that if someone comes calling for one of our 25+ players, deal them. The four I mentioned aren’t going anywhere. And it’s so easy to sign old UFAs to fill this role if you think it has value.

I don't know - hasn't Joe Sakic been present throughout MacKinnon's time in Colorado?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Teams aren't trading non-lottery protected picks these days. Or, at least, with some lottery protection of top 3 picks or so.

Hence, "Hopefully."