2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

Nah bro, using stats to support an argument like NHLe to compare players in 2 different leagues is about as factual as you can get.

What you have is an opinion. It's a bold opinion, but it's yours. People are going to debate it especially when there's nothing quantitative behind it.

NHLe has not be proven to show anything. It isn’t using stats it’s using a made up number that may or may not have some predictive relevance. Until it is shown to be quality in this regard it’s actually usefulness will still be in question. All that NHLe number shows is where he would rank to it, nothing more nothing less. It is no more valid than anyone’s opinion here.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

My Lord you are so full of ####. I suppose teams had the same concerns about Alexander Daigle right? What else can you make up. Then you have the audacity to call others liars. What a clown.

Not sure what the concerns were about Daigle, it is possible.

But to pretend that there weren’t concerns about Yakupov before his draft is both silly and flat out ignorant.

There is nothing made up about anything I posted but yes when others lie I will point it out.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Spurs

NHLe has not be proven to show anything. It isn’t using stats it’s using a made up number that may or may not have some predictive relevance. Until it is shown to be quality in this regard it’s actually usefulness will still be in question. All that NHLe number shows is where he would rank to it, nothing more nothing less. It is no more valid than anyone’s opinion here.

No less valid as well. It is what it is, semantics be damned.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

No less valid as well. It is what it is, semantics be damned.

Sure it is another tool people can chose to use or not use. It isn’t some infallible de terminator of what players are or will become.

[PepsiFree]

If draft position doesn’t matter and NHLe doesn’t matter, what are you using to determine that Stankoven is better than every winger on the Flames?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If draft position doesn’t matter and NHLe doesn’t matter, what are you using to determine that Stankoven is better than every winger on the Flames?

Did I say draft position doesn’t matter? I think it is far from the only thing but especially when a player is so young it can be relevant.

For me it is that he has his past two seasons with elite production. We don’t have any wingers outside of Hubredeau that has shown they have elite production at any level. He has shown a level that the other guys we have have not. Certainly isn’t a guarantee he will be better but for me that is what gets me excited about him as a prospect he has made all the jumps you would want him to make at his age.

[Muta]

Every prospect everywhere else is better than anything the Flames have. In fact, Zary isn't even an original Calgary Flame draft pick; he was traded here.

[iloveicedhockey]

When does the trade freeze end?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Muta

Every prospect everywhere else is better than anything the Flames have. In fact, Zary isn't even an original Calgary Flame draft pick; he was traded here.

If Stankoven was a Flames prospect I’m sure the usual crowd would be like don’t get excited, he is small and likely to bust lol

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If Stankoven was a Flames prospect I’m sure the usual crowd would be like don’t get excited, he is small and likely to bust lol

Who is the usual crowd?

I would be excited if he was constantly putting up elite numbers and in our system. Still woukd want an actual top youngster but he would be a great piece to have.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

When does the trade freeze end?

28th

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Once again, are you the GM of the Canes or the Devils? You can't be both so you can't be right.

Obviously it’s just my opinion.

You spent most of one year guaranteeing that Johnny was going to sign with the Flames, even saying the deal had been agreed upon, they were just waiting for the correct time to announce it.

You aren’t the previous GM of the Flames are you.

You shouldn’t criticize others for the same thing you do.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Obviously it’s just my opinion.

You spent most of one year guaranteeing that Johnny was going to sign with the Flames, even saying the deal had been agreed upon, they were just waiting for the correct time to announce it.

You aren’t the previous GM of the Flames are you.

You shouldn’t criticize others for the same thing you do.

The deal was agreed upon, he backed out at the last minute. Pretty bad example. Every year people say so and so player won't move in trade rumour discussions, it happened with Suzuki, it happened with Forsberg, it happens all the time and then the ones who said "so and so is not moving" end up looking like fools. If you want to wear those shoes on here though feel free, no skin off my back.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Who is the usual crowd?

I would be excited if he was constantly putting up elite numbers and in our system. Still woukd want an actual top youngster but he would be a great piece to have.

If Stankoven ended up in our system you would be calling him a bust within a month.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If Stankoven ended up in our system you would be calling him a bust within a month.

Nope

But odd to make up what fantasies about people would say, especially when it is so clearly wrong.

The amount of energy people spend on other posters not the team/players is always amaze ng.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Muta

Every prospect everywhere else is better than anything the Flames have. In fact, Zary isn't even an original Calgary Flame draft pick; he was traded here.

Flames drafted Zary, did they not?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Nope

But odd to make up what fantasies about people would say, especially when it is so clearly wrong.

Where's the fantasy? You're notorious for your bias against the Flames and their players, and have been for a long time.

You're the one who just dismissed every winger in the Flames' system by saying that none of them are as good as a prospect in his D+3 year who has never played an NHL game. It's no reach to conclude that you would be just as dismissive of that prospect, too, if he were in the Flames' system.

[TheScorpion]

Coronato and Stankoven are pretty similar. Stankoven is a better skater and more responsible defensively; Coronato has a better shot and is bigger.

It remains a horrendous miss that the Flames didn't take Stankoven when they had the chance and I certainly wouldn't begrudge anyone for saying Stankoven is a better prospect than anyone in the Calgary system, but the Flames also have some very strong pieces to use in a potential rebuild/retool.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Coronato and Stankoven are pretty similar. Stankoven is a better skater and more responsible defensively; Coronato has a better shot and is bigger.

It remains a horrendous miss that the Flames didn't take Stankoven when they had the chance and I certainly wouldn't begrudge anyone for saying Stankoven is a better prospect than anyone in the Calgary system, but the Flames also have some very strong pieces to use in a potential rebuild/retool.

No they don't! Everyone is terrible and too small. Even the guys who aren't too small are awful and everybody else has WAY better prospects. And the guys Flames drafted were flukes and there are better players out there that we should have grabbed instead.


Am I doing this right? Asking for people who are tired of the trolls here.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Where's the fantasy? You're notorious for your bias against the Flames and their players, and have been for a long time.

You're the one who just dismissed every winger in the Flames' system by saying that none of them are as good as a prospect in his D+3 year who has never played an NHL game. It's no reach to conclude that you would be just as dismissive of that prospect, too, if he were in the Flames' system.

I have no bias against any Flames player that is once again completely made up.

I also didn’t dismiss anyone by stating that one of the top prospects in the league would be better than what we have. That doesn’t mean that every player we have is crap but most fans have agreed we lack elite level talent. I pointed out that right now Coleman is playing better but with the context of a rebuild so doesnt factor in and that Zary would be up for debate.

Even if it were true that I flat out dismissed all our wingers that would still be irrelevant when it came to what I would say about a completely different player.

The facts are I have praised and defended Flames players here, based my views in individual players based in their merits. The idea I would blankly criticize a player is false and a silly statement. It is more laughable considering the source.