2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Before Bennett was traded he had the following three previous seasons

24 year old year - on pace for 26 points over 82 games
23 year old year - on pace for 19 points over 82 games
22 year old year - on pace for 31 points over 82 games

Kakko if he was traded would have the following 3 previous seasons right now

22 year old year - on pace for 12 points over 82 games based on his first 20 games.
21 year old year - 40 points over 82 games.
20 year old year - on pace for 34 points over 82 games.

Some might look at his 20 game sample size this year as a proof point that he is a total bust but I think most hockey folks would look at it as an aberration from what was previously an upward trajectory in his development path.

Heck, if he comes back from his knee injury and puts up 5 points in 10 games he is back to a 22 point pace and may not be a bust anymore. But totally agree, if Sammy was worth two second round picks being two years older then Kakko is definitely worth that at a minimum.

THIS.

People forget how he was really trending up before this season. A ppg of 0.5 in his 21 year-old year is more than respectable. Not sure what’s going on this season, whether it’s injuries or Laviolette, but there’s a player there.

[iloveicedhockey]

It's a little confusing about Lindholm wanting his payday. It's not that he hasn't been underpaid because he certainly has but surely you'd think his agent could gauge the AAV market for him and he could ask for that number x8, instead of x7. I know it isn't that easy but you'd think something could be worked out.

[stemit14]

Toews’ comments about guys on the Avs thinking they are playing well but not playing the system makes me wonder if they would go after Kadri. There’s nobody in the league that would be more familiar with their system. However, what is the acquisition cost? Say the flames were willing to retain $1 million on the Kadri contract and take back one of these guys that are not playing the system (Craig Button speculates that it is Johansen and Druin). Would that scenario return a first round pick + prospect if Kadri keeps playing well? Will the flames want to trade Kadri with how well he has been playing with the kids?

I know the simpler target for the avalanche is Lindholm. But if they were interested in Kadri just as much or more, Lindholm could then be traded elsewhere for even more assets. Obviously this is going for the scorched earth rebuild that the flames have never really done before but it could be possible. I’m just really not sure what the flames could get for Kadri.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I can't see the Flames management signing off on retaining for the duration of Kari's contract.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I can't see the Flames management signing off on retaining for the duration of Kari's contract.

I agree. Very unlikely the flames ownership would sign off on that. It’s more of a hypothetical if they would. Is Kadri at $6 million AAV for five years after this one worth say a first round pick + a prospect? Specifically to the Avalanche?

[Hackey]

Retaining on Markstrom I think might create the greatest value increase. I'm not sure retaining on Lindholm or Hanifin will drastically improve their value.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I agree. Very unlikely the flames ownership would sign off on that. It’s more of a hypothetical if they would. Is Kadri at $6 million AAV for five years after this one worth say a first round pick + a prospect? Specifically to the Avalanche?

As I have said before, Kadri wants to stay in Canada. I am pretty sure despite enjoying his time there and winning a SC he would block any trade to Colorado.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Retaining on Markstrom I think might create the greatest value increase. I'm not sure retaining on Lindholm or Hanifin will drastically improve their value.

True, but it expands the list of potential suitors.

[Samonadreau]

Know nothing about Holtz, is there any worry around his defensive game? I see he is a minus every where he has been since his draft season.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Toews’ comments about guys on the Avs thinking they are playing well but not playing the system makes me wonder if they would go after Kadri. There’s nobody in the league that would be more familiar with their system. However, what is the acquisition cost? Say the flames were willing to retain $1 million on the Kadri contract and take back one of these guys that are not playing the system (Craig Button speculates that it is Johansen and Druin). Would that scenario return a first round pick + prospect if Kadri keeps playing well? Will the flames want to trade Kadri with how well he has been playing with the kids?

I know the simpler target for the avalanche is Lindholm. But if they were interested in Kadri just as much or more, Lindholm could then be traded elsewhere for even more assets. Obviously this is going for the scorched earth rebuild that the flames have never really done before but it could be possible. I’m just really not sure what the flames could get for Kadri.

I think Colorado would benefit greatly bringing Kadri back. He was paramount to their Cup run and I think they miss the edge and competitiveness that he brought to their lineup. If he didn’t chase the money in free agency, I think he’d still be an Avalanche today and they’d be even better then what they currently are.

Personally, I’m not too concerned with what assets we get back from him since he was a UFA signing and didn’t cost any assets to acquire. As long as the retention isn’t absurd, I’d be perfectly happy with a trade.

Conversely, I also don’t mind him as a Flame either though, he’s turned around his season, is leading thr team in points after a bad start and has looked great with the kids. So if he stays, It wouldn’t be the worst thing either.

[ComixZone]

Holtz can shoot the puck and can skate. Those are two important skills. I really liked him in his draft year, but haven’t followed him since.

I’d definitely be excited to see him come to Calgary in one of these trades.

[Royle9]

I'd take Holtz, I think the raw skill is still there but he's definitely not progressed as much as I thought he would.

[Sandman]

Devils fans and writers have been saying very positive things about Holtz’ play this year, often outperforming players ahead of him in the lineup. He’s showing confidence with the puck, and a willingness to play in the grease. His numbers aren’t as good as they would be if he was playing in the top-6, but there’s apparently no room for him there right now (although there are those who are calling for him to get a promotion). He’s always been a pretty sound 200-ft player IMO.

[Vinny01]

When we look at the Flames wing situation in the short and long term:

Huberdeau, Zary, Coronato, Pelletier, Pospisil, Honzek, Coleman, Sharongovich it does seem like the wing is their strongest position moving forward. While it might be easier said than done I think targeting centers and D when trading our pending UFA’s makes the most sense but I do believe getting the best player available is the most important factor so if Holtz is the best piece we can get then I support it but would prefer if they get 1sts, D or C

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

When we look at the Flames wing situation in the short and long term:

Huberdeau, Zary, Coronato, Pelletier, Pospisil, Honzek, Coleman, Sharongovich it does seem like the wing is their strongest position moving forward. While it might be easier said than done I think targeting centers and D when trading our pending UFA’s makes the most sense but I do believe getting the best player available is the most important factor so if Holtz is the best piece we can get then I support it but would prefer if they get 1sts, D or C

You are definitely right.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

When we look at the Flames wing situation in the short and long term:

Huberdeau, Zary, Coronato, Pelletier, Pospisil, Honzek, Coleman, Sharongovich it does seem like the wing is their strongest position moving forward. While it might be easier said than done I think targeting centers and D when trading our pending UFA’s makes the most sense but I do believe getting the best player available is the most important factor so if Holtz is the best piece we can get then I support it but would prefer if they get 1sts, D or C

when Lindholm is dealt I would like Sharan to get the 20 game stint at C, or more games if Lindholm is dealt prior. If it doesn’t work out, doesn’t work out. However, if it does… that would be a great thing for the Flames.

[dammage79]

Zarys a natural C who playing on the wing. I expect at some point he's going to go back to that position after some NHL seasoning.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Holtz would be a great get. Tremendous shot.
My concern is that they would not cough him up for Meier, and he's now established himself as an NHLer, so I doubt they will cough him up now.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Holtz would be a great get. Tremendous shot.
My concern is that they would not cough him up for Meier, and he's now established himself as an NHLer, so I doubt they will cough him up now.

I think the difference is need.
Meier was a guy they wanted to add to bolster their roster.
Hanifin would be a guy to step in as a legit first pairing defenseman to cover for the loss of Hamilton. I don't watch enough Devils hockey to say that without Hamilton they may not even make the playoffs, but any team that loses a first pairing defenseman for the remainder of the season is going to have a much tougher road.

[Sandman]

You have to give to get, but if they aren't going to part with Holtz or Mercer (they certainly won't part with Nemec or Luke Hughes), then 19 year-old RW Lenni Hameenaho would make a good consolation prize in a 3-part package (I know, we should be getting centers).

Hameenaho, as well as fellow Finn Jesse Kiiskinen, were both flirting with the first-round in this past draft in many mocks- but Hameenaho ended up going to the Devils in the second round, and JK went to the Preds in the third. Hammy is currently the third highest scoring U-20 player in the Finnish Elite League, with 17 points (11 goals) in 26 games. Impressive, considering that his team (Assat) is 13th in a 15-team league in goals-scored- he is their second-leading scorer, and tops in goals by 4. He is 10th in goal-scoring for the entire league. In comparison, Kiiskinen has only 5 points in 27 games.

Hammy has an elite brain, a quality 200-ft game, stands 6'1", and has a wilingness to get his nose dirty. His skating has improved, but still needs work- but let's not forget that the same was said about our own Connor Zary. Reminds me a bit of Tyler Bertuzzi, but with better IQ.