2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I am not sure you should be using Edmonton hiring Chiarelli as a good example.

Edmonton has consistently made bone headed hirings of GMs and coaches for going on 2 straight decades.

Has Toronto been much better?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Has Toronto been much better?

No Canadian hockey fan can throw rocks... glass houses and all that.

[Niemo]

I’d take Niemela + 2nd for Tanev easy.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Niemo

I’d take Niemela + 2nd for Tanev easy.

But does Brad?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

But does Brad?

The second also has to be 2027

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Peter Chiarelli was unemployed for a whole nine days. Does that make him a great GM or just a guy that managed to pull the wool over the eyes of another club before they figured out he was a complete bonehead?

Sure doesn't prove anything, for sure.

GM of the Leafs (original six) six weeks after stepping down in Calgary is certainly a sign the guy had some market in the league.

Suggesting otherwise is a reach.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Peter Chiarelli was hired by the Oilers nine days after getting #### canned by the Bruins. Chiarelli was suspected to be a bonehead while he ran the Bruins and really proved it with the Oilers. We'll see how "The Wizard" does with "the most valuable team in the NHL" and how big a bonehead he turns out to be. What he left behind in Calgary is an embarrassment.

No hyperbole there!

[CliffFletcher]

Treliving was one of the most active GMs in the league during his tenure, and carried out some the biggest trades of recent years. Anyone expecting a Flames GM to be more active in the trade market than Treliving is almost certainly going to be disappointed.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Mark Stone, Tylor Hall, Ben Bishop, and Jack Eichel are the first four names that come to mind for me. I don’t have time to go through some of the major trades that have taken place during his tenure but I can confidently say we were in on everyone and more often then not let down at the end.

He made big trades when he could. Hamilton, Hanifin/Lindholm, etc. Moved at the draft.

I’m tired of explaining why Stone didn’t happen and he was simply outbid for Eichel. Taylor Hall? Ben Bishop. Those are the other failures?

[Poe969]

I hit on every girl in the club, doesn't mean I had the most dates.

Treliving was active, but not successful.

[CliffFletcher]

Who are these GMs who routinely make big hockey trades in today’s NHL?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I hit on every girl in the club, doesn't mean I had the most dates.

Treliving was active, but not successful.

He had some great trades. I'd say he won more than he lost.

UFAs haunted him.

He over bet on a core.

Drafting was great.

Didn't have enough picks betting on said core.

Bet on Gaudreau and was wrong.

Since he left I think the biggest strike against him was the reveal that he didn't collaborate with his management team much.

I don't think we have to name a street after him in Calgary but the wizard drive by nonsense we see on this site if way over the top.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He had some great trades. I'd say he won more than he lost.

UFAs haunted him.

He over bet on a core.

Drafting was great.

Didn't have enough picks betting on said core.

Bet on Gaudreau and was wrong.

Since he left I think the biggest strike against him was the reveal that he didn't collaborate with his management team much.

I don't think we have to name a street after him in Calgary but the wizard drive by nonsense we see on this site if way over the top.

I think fans have every right to lay blame on BTs feet for the state of our prospect pool and cap room. I can stomach the lack on team success, everything happens in cycles and ours ended, but how blatant unprepared and ignorant he was of that inevitability is unjustifiable.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He made big trades when he could. Hamilton, Hanifin/Lindholm, etc. Moved at the draft.

I’m tired of explaining why Stone didn’t happen and he was simply outbid for Eichel. Taylor Hall? Ben Bishop. Those are the other failures?

The original point is that apparently BT is not offering anything in a trade worth having. So it’s not coming as a surprise to me based on his history.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

The original point is that apparently BT is not offering anything in a trade worth having. So it’s not coming as a surprise to me based on his history.

But he's been a GM that has a history of actually being able to make big deals.
So that's what is confusing about the comment.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Peter Chiarelli was hired by the Oilers nine days after getting #### canned by the Bruins. Chiarelli was suspected to be a bonehead while he ran the Bruins and really proved it with the Oilers. We'll see how "The Wizard" does with "the most valuable team in the NHL" and how big a bonehead he turns out to be. What he left behind in Calgary is an embarrassment.

I don't want to take shots at Tre for his time in CGY, but I think he's making the same mistakes with the Leafs, and already signed a couple of contracts he'd like to have back.

• Reaves 3 x $1.35M - Reeves is playing like a replacement level player at best

  Market value: $800k

• Kampf 4x $2.4M - Kampf is another player that's playing some bad hockey this season. Bad defensively and doesn't generate any offense.

  Market value: $800k

• Klingberg 1x $4.15M - Terrible defense offset by not enough offense.

  Market value: $800k

• Domi 1 x $3M - Puts up a lot of assists, but doesn't score any goals this year. Defense is below average.

  Market value: $1.9M

• Samsonov - 1 x $3.55M - One more player that struggled out of the gate with an .884sv%

  Market value: $1M

I used the athletic for the market value figures for this year. The goalie value is my estimation.

I would argue that Bertuzzi was the only good signing by the Wizard this summer. A lot of those deals are 1-year deals, and Reaves can be buried, but still Tre's betting average is not great this year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

The original point is that apparently BT is not offering anything in a trade worth having. So it’s not coming as a surprise to me based on his history.

The original point was that he doesn't make trades. Which is untrue. As for the trades you mentioned, he didn't lose out because he didn't offer anything worth having. Stone wasn't worth pursuing because he wouldn't extend and with Eichel, Buffalo preferred Krebs over any Calgary prospect and were excited to get home town boy Tuch. Some rumours (like Weekes) even had Tkachuk as part of the package, though Freidman says that's not the case.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I think fans have every right to lay blame on BTs feet for the state of our prospect pool and cap room. I can stomach the lack on team success, everything happens in cycles and ours ended, but how blatant unprepared and ignorant he was of that inevitability is unjustifiable.

First off no one said fans can't lay the blame on Treliving. Having a differing opinion isn't telling anyone they can't have an opposing opinion.

He bet on a core and added to it with draft picks through trades.

That left them draft pick short in this time period for sure.

But I wouldn't call it unprepared and ignorant. That's a stretch to me.

He was wrong on the core ultimately. If he was right then those moves would have been considered shrewd.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He had some great trades. I'd say he won more than he lost.

UFAs haunted him.

He over bet on a core.

Drafting was great.

Didn't have enough picks betting on said core.

Bet on Gaudreau and was wrong.

Since he left I think the biggest strike against him was the reveal that he didn't collaborate with his management team much.

I don't think we have to name a street after him in Calgary but the wizard drive by nonsense we see on this site if way over the top.

Nah , look at what he left for Conroy. He deserves every blame.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have no idea what they think they can work with but I am hearing Cowan, Minten, Knies, and the Leafs first round pick this year are all non starters in any trade negotiations.

If this is the case then I don't think Toronto really has anything of interest