2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Jaydee]

I used to play with dumba and i live in arizona. he has been bad when given the opportunity. they are going to give his money to dursi and cut ties at the end of the season i think

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by stang

Great reading comprehension.

Plus you’re a panthers fan

Also Markstroms 34th in save% so I wouldn’t say he’s pretty good.

Would be minimum unprotected 24 1st and Holloway

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by stang

Taking all the bias out.

What would a realistic Markstrom for Campbell trade look like?

Edit: I know it won’t happen, just for fun.

I will play the game

Campbell costs 3 first rounders just to move the contract minimum.

Markstrom has value, probably worth a Dylan Holloway.

And then you have an Oiler trading premium, call it Broberg.

So 3 first round picks, Broberg and Holloway.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by stang

Taking all the bias out.

What would a realistic Markstrom for Campbell trade look like?

Edit: I know it won’t happen, just for fun.

I think a couple 1sts unprotected would be worth it. This year's 1st could potentially be decent although the Oilers are heating up a bit right now. Could pay off to make them a couple years out as well in hopes Draisaitl or McDavid don't re-sign and those picks are high.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Look at the roster and consider what it's going to look like without Tanev, Hanafin, and Lindholm. This team is heading to for a term of multiple seasons at the bottom of the NHL standings and there's not a lot that Conroy can do about it. You can't be retooling when you have one of the worst rosters in the NHL. It's going to be a rebuild whether the organization likes it or not.

100% this

[Hackey]

Exactly why they should just help the team bottom out a little to get some top 5 picks instead of trying to prop them up for some 10-15 picks. If you're going to suck at least make it worthwhile.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Exactly why they should just help the team bottom out a little to get some top 5 picks instead of trying to prop them up for some 10-15 picks. If you're going to suck at least make it worthwhile.

Yeah. People understand losing and missing the playoffs when you are rebuilding. They aren't mad.

When you are spent to the max on bad contracts, people get upset about it.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

HNIC:

Ethan Bear closing in on signing.
Capitals believed to have made a strong pitch.

Teams have called Van about Kuzmenko
Ice time has dropped and teams curious what Van wants to do with him.

One team asked the Flyers if they were willing to move both Sean Walker and Nick Seeler in a package

Everyone just actively avoided the actual trade rumours to discuss and decided they’d rather continue arguing with each other about who is right.

What do you think Kuzmenko is worth? Third and a 5th?

[butterfly]

Anyone think Mangiapane is worth more now than at next year's deadline? My feeling is probably not. $9.8M is a lot for 1.7 years of Mangiapane.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Everyone just actively avoided the actual trade rumours to discuss and decided they’d rather continue arguing with each other about who is right.

What do you think Kuzmenko is worth? Third and a 5th?

I dunno, random arguing about nothing is at least as interesting as what Vancouver’s 4th line winger is worth.

[Blaster86]

Canucks won't be moving on from Kuzmenko for two mid round picks.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by stang

Taking all the bias out.

What would a realistic Markstrom for Campbell trade look like?

Edit: I know it won’t happen, just for fun.

Congrats on finding your missing CP password

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Congrats on finding your missing CP password

Why this? Stang is awesome, most Flames fans know this.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Why this? Stang is awesome, most Flames fans know this.

Because Stang only makes a peep after the Oilers win games...otherwise, completely MIA. Don't get me wrong. Stang is one of the best Oilers fans on CP, but at least Blaster86 sticks around when the Canucks suck.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Controversial post here, for 2 reasons.


Flames are rebuilding. Look at the standings. Listen to the rumours. They are rebuilding this year, and i foresee another season in which they finish near the bottom of the standings. 23rd overall right now (and 25th in P%). Just wait until Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin get traded (plus whomever else - might be a surprise or two). Look how many teams below the Flames have games (and even multiple games) on hand. I don't see the Flames improving their position after those trades at all. I see them falling.


What about next year? Does anyone think this is just a 'bad year'? Who is going to step up and lead the Flames into the playoffs next season? Sure, Conroy will come out and say that the goal is playoffs. However, unless he loses his mind (or unless Edwards loses his), this team is not going to go out and make futures-for-win now players. This is not an idiotic organization. Next year will be another rough year, and I bet they would finish in a similar area as they end up this season.


Second reason that this post is controversial? I can't imagine that they stay in a rebuild for more than 2 - max 3 - years. They are starting with too much young talent already. They are trading valuable pieces right now. The market is also very strong for 'cap assistance moves' as well. Remember Feaster when he declared the Flames "open for business" when it came to helping teams clear cap in exchange for assets? It never materialized. Why? Because the market was non-existent thanks to compliance buyouts opening up massive cap room everywhere. This year is the opposite - next season will see an opening, but teams are incredibly tight right now. There will be opportunity there.


At any rate, there will be an injection of young players and prospects over the next two seasons, and they will be added to the existing base, as well as to some of the existing players. Andersson and Weegar will likely be here, Kadri and Huberdeau likely as well. Backlund maybe, though he will probably be a 4th line player by that point. However, there will be Wolf, Zary, Pospisil, Pelletier, Sharangovich, Coronato, Honzek, Morin, Solovyov, Kuzenetsov and blah blah blah. Point is, the Flames are not starting from zero like they essentially did in the last rebuild.


I also think that the Flames are too good of a drafting and development organization. I don't know why people keep bringing up the Oilers and Sabres - one was a terribly run organization, and the other tanked so hard without being a good drafting organization. Are the Flames either of these things? Sure, Flames have made mistakes, but they are not a terribly run organization. Oilers were a cap team most of their rebuild. They were trying to win, and falling on their face in embarrassing fashion in every way, especially on the drafting and development side of things.


Flames continually find solid NHL players in the lower rounds of the draft. I am going to love seeing a surplus amount of picks, and hopefully a top 5 pick (and double hope it is 2 years in a row) being injected into this organization. That excites me, and it should excite everyone when you consider how much talent his organization REALLY has in players who are under 23.



Flames would have to intentionally tank (or become incredibly mismanaged) to not just move up the standings naturally in 3 seasons. Maybe they don't make the playoffs on their third or 4th year, but they probably come close. They will have to try very hard to remain in the bottom 5 past 3 seasons. I just don't see it. I don't see it considering what they are starting with in terms of tradeable assets, I don't see it with already having a really good prospect pool feeding player, and I don't see it based on their history over the last 10+ years drafting.



I do think that they are in a rebuild that hasn't been announced, I think that's where they are going to stay for the next 2-3 drafts, but I don't think it will take longer than that before they start moving up the standings again. By year 5 this team should be competing in the playoffs and being an exciting young team.


Maybe they go on a run and prove me wrong. Good then. I won't be cheering against that either. Certainly complicates Conroy's decisions. I just want to see this team compete, period. The Flames screwed up their last rebuild, at least in my opinion, because they never even went on a run (third round or higher - or even won more than 1 game in the 2nd round). If they suddenly do that now, it will shock me, but I will be the last person cheering against a winning season, if it makes the rebuild last another couple of years. There are never any guarantees in sports, so you enjoy the wins when they come.


I just feel that they are in a rebuild, and I don't think it will take as long as some of the comparisons some posters are making. I guess we will see.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Meh, I like Stang. Solid poster, and I like how he is both informative, as well as walks the line between ribbing and trolling like a pro. There are a handful of Oilers fans here who I both like and feel sorry for because they obviously cheer for the wrong team.

[bluejays]

I’m actually happy about CP in general finally coming around to realizing this team isn’t elite. Last year this time the vast majority of people were saying Markstrom is bouncing back and the team is elite and we can’t rebuild. Most were pretty rebellious about doing a rebuild. I’m now happy there’s a push to the otherwise as there has been an illumination that you need elite players to go far. Being in the muddy middle or the classic “just get in the playoffs and anything can happen!” crew is sorely misguided.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Anyone think Mangiapane is worth more now than at next year's deadline? My feeling is probably not. $9.8M is a lot for 1.7 years of Mangiapane.

Considering his value right now with that contract is a cap dump I would say no.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I find CP is generally a year or two from recognizing the obvious. Took forever to realize they held on to Iginla too long. Took two years to get that Treliving had constructed a house of cards and the team was rotten to the core. Too two years to realize Treliving was a terrible GM and only once he wasn't "our guy" just how bad he was. The next bitter realization is going to be the minor league system and development system is in bad shape and we're about to feel it. Treliving's incompetence hurt the prospect pool and we're going to feel that the most as we hope for a retool only to find there is a gap in the pool where we need those prospects stepping in. Sometimes what looks so obvious for some isn't so obvious for the majority until it starts to unfold in front of their faces.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I find CP is generally a year or two from recognizing the obvious. Took forever to realize they held on to Iginla too long. Took two years to get that Treliving had constructed a house of cards and the team was rotten to the core. Too two years to realize Treliving was a terrible GM and only once he wasn't "our guy" just how bad he was. The next bitter realization is going to be the minor league system and development system is in bad shape and we're about to feel it. Treliving's incompetence hurt the prospect pool and we're going to feel that the most as we hope for a retool only to find there is a gap in the pool where we need those prospects stepping in. Sometimes what looks so obvious for some isn't so obvious for the majority until it starts to unfold in front of their faces.

Agreed. I'd argue Treliving was very good at some things while terrible at others. His dolling out of bad contracts for UFAs, while dealing picks for guys he had to get to beat out others, was terrible. To most I think he comes across humble, but behind the scenes I think he was driven by ego. When even Conroy alludes to him making deals in isolation, it's a bad sign that the guy is doing things solo. His first two moves as Leafs GM to get "snot" (whatever tf that means to him), is shooting him in the foot from day 1 with the signings of Reeves and Klingberg. I thought the Leafs is a situation he couldn't mess up but already giving out bad contracts is something he has to do.


Anyway, I agree with everything you said, CP does take some time to realize the obvious. But I did think our drafting has been good, no?