2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I want to keep Toffoli too, but let’s say a contending team that can fit Toffoli overpays for him… Just take it and assure Toffoli you have every intention of re-signing him if he hits free agency.

Wouldn't you always trade a player if a team was willing to overpay?

[traptor]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If flames give Tyler an extension he would be 32 when it kicks in. At some point flames have to stop paying guys their last contracts. Flames should only be re-signing lindholm and maybe hanafin. They should be seeing what they can get for toffoli and backlund.

Definitely.

If they re-sign lindy sell all the other 30+ UFAs, we have more the enough already.

Maybe you can keep one of them if they're willing to take a short term value contract

[SuperMatt18]

Honesty if you’re offered a pick in the top 25 and another piece for Toffoli you should probably take it.

You shouldn’t be re-signing him past 32 and really should be selling high after a career season last year.

[Vinny01]

Toffoli is an interesting player. He has played at a 0.8ppg pace since leaving LA and coming to Canada where he has now played for 3 Canadian teams. We heard how he was kind of the unofficial captain of the Habs the year we traded for him. Seems like a candidate to be captain of the Flames but with that said players with his skill set have seen their games fall off around his age. I know Toffoli is a smart 2 way player but he is a sniper who is not quick to begin with. James Neal and Dany Heatly are players like that who come to mind who completely fell off a cliff around 32 years old. Not saying it will happen with Toffoli but a cautionary tale nonetheless.

Treliving aged the hell out of this team giving 30 year olds 8 year deals and replacing a 24 year old with a 32 year old and one has to wonder how many more big money long term deals for players in their 30’s can they hand out?

I do find it somewhat interesting that we hear Backlund and Toffoli’s names now but Lindholm has gone quiet. Unless Backlund signs a ridiculously sweet hometown discount I feel the team should move on from one of the centers for futures and if they give the money to Lindholm I am not sure they can also keep Toffoli unless he wants the exact same deal he is coming off of.

[bax]

I really like Toffoli. Have since he was in LA, but the reasons to trade him are obvious. Age and contract status.

Conroy should be thrilled Toffoli is coming off a contract year. There is no better time to trade him.

[Toonage]

So its starting to feel like...

Hanifin, Backlund, Toffoli to be traded
Lindholm to re-sign

And now that Nonis is on board and Dreger is back in the know, Mitch Love apparently is "circling back" to the Flames about joining the staff.

Busy week ahead.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So its starting to feel like...

Hanifin, Backlund, Toffoli to be traded
Lindholm to re-sign

And now that Nonis is on board and Dreger is back in the know, Mitch Love apparently is "circling back" to the Flames about joining the staff.

Busy week ahead.

I'd be okay with that direction. Everyone except lindholm can be replaced relatively easily.

We could recoup a ton of assets, get younger and still remain competitive.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So its starting to feel like...

Hanifin, Backlund, Toffoli to be traded
Lindholm to re-sign

And now that Nonis is on board and Dreger is back in the know, Mitch Love apparently is "circling back" to the Flames about joining the staff.

Busy week ahead.

In a lot of ways that is probably the smartest path forward. Hanifin would become their most expensive Dman if they were able to keep him but likely the Org views him as the #3 behind Andersson and Weegar.

Backlund and Toffoli would be 35 and 32 at the start of their extensions so perhaps moving on from them makes more sense.

Lindholm is the teams best all around forward. He would bring the biggest return but would be by far the hardest hole to fill. If he is willing to stay that is the likeliest path to staying competitive.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honesty if you’re offered a pick in the top 25 and another piece for Toffoli you should probably take it.

You shouldn’t be re-signing him past 32 and really should be selling high after a career season last year.

The Flames don’t want to take a step back.

They feel they need more scoring up front.

So it’s extremely unlikely they move their top scorer unless they get another 65+ point player back in a trade (there aren’t any available as UFAs). If Toffoli wants to re-sign, they’ll extend him.

Whether that’s smart asset management is another question altogether. But I expect fans hoping for rebuilding trades and ruthless asset management are going to be disappointed by this offseason. Nothing Flames management has said suggests they’re going to change the strategic direction of the franchise.

[Toonage]

While I would love to see the team go down a full rebuild path, I understand that just isn't in the cards. Lindholm at lest, as has been mentioned by others and media, will likely age well over the duration of the contract. Basically morphing into what Backlund is now. And even around $8.5M, would still be what amounts to an ok cap hit in 6-7 years time I would think.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Flames don’t want to take a step back.

They feel they need more scoring up front.

So it’s extremely unlikely they move their top scorer unless they get another 65+ point player back in a trade (there aren’t any available as UFAs). If Toffoli wants to re-sign, they’ll extend him.

Whether that’s smart asset management is another question altogether. But I expect fans hoping for rebuilding trades and ruthless asset management are going to be disappointed by this offseason. Nothing Flames management has said suggests they’re going to change the strategic direction of the franchise.

Except that is exactly what Conroy has said. They aren't going into the season with all 7 UFAs and all indications are to expect trades.

There is no reason they couldn't then turn around and use those assets on another piece that helps them now.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Except that is exactly what Conroy has said. They aren't going into the season with all 7 UFAs and all indications are to expect trades.

There is no reason they couldn't then turn around and use those assets on another piece that helps them now.

He said they aren’t going to walk pending UFAs to free agency. If they extend Toffoli, they aren’t walking him to free agency.

[Spurs]

What is frustrating is a Lindholm contract would look so much better and it would be easier to live with if we didn't have the Kadri deal. It was such a needless and terrible deal the minute it was signed.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So its starting to feel like...

Hanifin, Backlund, Toffoli to be traded
Lindholm to re-sign

And now that Nonis is on board and Dreger is back in the know, Mitch Love apparently is "circling back" to the Flames about joining the staff.

Busy week ahead.

This is the right decision. Hopefully the Flames can bring back a first line winger in their somewhere and also stock up on picks.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Spurs

What is frustrating is a Lindholm contract would look so much better and it would be easier to live with if we didn't have the Kadri deal. It was such a needless and terrible deal the minute it was signed.

It seems interesting to me we have really heard nothing about Kadri since the season ended. Maybe it was because he had relatively decent numbers last year despite a horrible second half?

I agree having both he and Lindholm making huge money in their 30’s is not ideal. I put in the bold predictions thread that I think Kadri could be moved this summer. Realistically it only makes sense if the Avs come calling as I see Kadri easily waiving to go back there.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by blankall

This is the right decision. Hopefully the Flames can bring back a first line winger in their somewhere and also stock up on picks.

If they can move Toffoli and get a 1st back what would the price be on Boeser I wonder? They might be able to add him for a much lower cost. On the negative side they add cap but they do get younger and likely will have better assets at the end.

[Funkhouser]

Assuming we re-sign Lindholm, what would a Kadri trade to COL look like?
They didn’t want to sign him last summer to this amount, what has changed?

I would expect something like Kadri ($1M retained) for the COL 1st. Thoughts??


Note: in this scenario I would also re-sign Backlund to a 3 yr deal.

[Yeah_Baby]

Yeah, I don't think:
a) Kadri is going anywhere
b) if he did you could also trade Backlund.

[bax]

Originally Posted by traptor

I'd be okay with that direction. Everyone except lindholm can be replaced relatively easily.

We could recoup a ton of assets, get younger and still remain competitive.

It’s probably not the best plan in the world, but I don’t hate it.

Hanifin for a 1st and a couple prospects
Backlund for a 2nd and a couple prospects
Toffoli for a 1st

If you could land a couple of young players just about to pop in those trades that would be even better.

A team with Huberdeau, Lindholm, Kadri, Weegar, Andersson, Mangiapane, Markstrom/Wolf will remain competititive.

You add 5-6 great prospects this off season to go along with Coronato, Pelletier, Wolf, and Zary and start to sprinkle them in over the next 3 seasons and who knows.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Assuming we re-sign Lindholm, what would a Kadri trade to COL look like?
They didn’t want to sign him last summer to this amount, what has changed?

I would expect something like Kadri ($1M retained) for the COL 1st. Thoughts??


Note: in this scenario I would also re-sign Backlund to a 3 yr deal.

Landeskog is out for the year and I think the middle position beyond the first line felt really lacking for them last year.

So, it’s certainly possible.