2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

second summer in a row St. Louis Blues radio (equivalent of FAN 960) are talking about the Flames. Last summer it was all Tkachuk. This year, local hockey talk is around the "three teams open for business" - Blues, Jets and Flames, and possibility as trade partners, especially the non-division rivals, Blues and Flames

One proposal was Hanifin (contract extended) for Scandella (cap dump) and two 1st round picks (#25 and #28)

there were other proposals, not worth mentioning

I’d happily take those two firsts for Hanifin.

I’d prefer Buffalo’s 13th overall though…

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

When the Titanic sinks.. you have a better chance of salvaging the Deck chair than the leather couch...it's a trap!

Funny thing about the Titanic - if it had simply hit the iceberg head on, instead of trying to avoid it, most of the 1500 dead wouldn’t have died.

I’m sure there’s a lesson in there somewhere.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Nylander for Hanifin doesn't improve us, doesn't give us a better chance to compete for anything, it just makes us a simliar level team with more strength up front and a much weaker defense.

Shouldn't we be making moves that give us a better chance to compete for a Cup? isn't that the goal of an NHL team?

It improves our offence. And, considering the fact that we're going to lose Hanifin anyways by the sounds of us, that's a good thing, right? Or you just want mystery boxes that might improve our team or might do absolutely nothing for us?

Even if we keep Hanifin, that doesn't change the team, so not sure how you're slanting an improved offence as a bad thing.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This is an interesting question.

If the offer was 13 for Hanfin vs 25 and 28...which would you prefer.

I initially lean towards 13 but this draft is so stacked between 10 and 30 that I might go 25 and 28.

13 all day. It's deep but not that deep. You have a higher chance of hitting on a stud at 13 than rolling twice at 25 and 28.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Funny thing about the Titanic - if it had simply hit the iceberg head on, instead of trying to avoid it, most of the 1500 dead wouldn’t have died.

I’m sure there’s a lesson in there somewhere.

Yeah, it's that staying the course is the correct move.

Thanks for bringing that up. Excellent point.

[Naitix]

Will be some great players available at 25 and 28, the depth of this draft is insane. Playes like Calum Ritchie, Eduard Sale, Nate Danielson, Braden Yager, Andrew Cristall, Otto Stenberg, Gabe Perrault and Quentin Musty could easily slide into later 20s

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Will be some great players available at 25 and 28, the depth of this draft is insane.

I've heard that before

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’d happily take those two firsts for Hanifin.

I’d prefer Buffalo’s 13th overall though…

Buffalo's pick would be ideal. If the Blues want to send a cap dump our way the Flames should get two firsts and a second at minimum.

[Vinny01]

When I think of Flames picks in the 20’s sure there is Backlund and maybe something in Pelletier and/or Zary but I can’t not think about the last 20 years and Chucko, Pelech, Irving, Nemisz, Erixon, Jankowski, Poirier, Klimchuk and how many straight busts the team had since the 04 draft picking in the 20’s

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This is an interesting question.

If the offer was 13 for Hanfin vs 25 and 28...which would you prefer.

I initially lean towards 13 but this draft is so stacked between 10 and 30 that I might go 25 and 28.

I guess it depends on how bad you want a particular player that may make it to 13 and not 16 or if you love a player so much that you are willing to package 13 & 16 to get into the 5-10 picks. If the Flames have a handful of players they really like that they expect to be available at 16, I would take 25 and 28 so they could roll the dice one or two of the higher risk talents like Cristall.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah, it's that staying the course is the correct move.

Thanks for bringing that up. Excellent point.

I think the point is, "if you face the rebuild head on", it will be less painful.

If you try to avoid it, you'll get side swept and it will cause even more damage.

[Enoch Root]

That Arizona proposal is quite possibly the worst trade proposal I have EVER seen. And yet, it was thanked and/or supported, by MULTIPLE people. Jesus ####ing Christ!

I mean, if we were talking about switching the 5th overall to the 1st, at least that has a real value which can be discussed. But moving from 16 to 12 has only the most marginal value - it's quite possible that they would pick the exact same player regardless! And even if that isn't the case, the likelihood of which player ends up better is only marginally higher than a coin flip.

And some of you think that's worth Huberdeau and Kylington!?!

If you made that offer JUST for Kylington, I would laugh and hang up. Unless there was a very specific player that I thought was going to be available at 12 but not 16. Otherwise, it's laughable. And then you're 'throwing in' Huberdeau.

It is unbelievable how short-sighted and reactive to one bad season some of you are. Not to mention, how much some of you over-value draft picks, relative to actual NHL players.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This is an interesting question.

If the offer was 13 for Hanfin vs 25 and 28...which would you prefer.

I initially lean towards 13 but this draft is so stacked between 10 and 30 that I might go 25 and 28.

Someone on the radio a draft expert said pick 1-16 in this draft you are getting a 1st line player.

I would go with 13 you have the potential to hit on both picks and potentially get stars.

[Enoch Root]

Was chatting with an Oiler fan (a rational one) on the weekend, and the Koneckny rumour came up. I said 'assuming Philly would trade him (but why would they?), what could the Oilers offer? And how would they fit him under the cap?

His response: it would have to include Yamamoto. And maybe Foegele.

Okay, but Foegele is a UFA and thus has no value. And why would Philly trade their best player for Yamamoto? It would have to include Holloway, Broberg and a 1st. Or something equivalent.

His response was: no way the Oilers would do that.

Okay, but you can't buy a Porsche with Walmart coupons.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think the point is, "if you face the rebuild head on", it will be less painful.

If you try to avoid it, you'll get side swept and it will cause even more damage.

Yeah, it's just more fun to play at the opposite of the intended point when people make bad analogies and hint at the lessons to be learned from them.

All else being equal, Titanic would've sunk and most of those people would have died either way, for what it's worth.

Not sure what the analogy for the Flames is supposed to be on that one, but it doesn't sound encouraging.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Was chatting with an Oiler fan (a rational one) on the weekend, and the Koneckny rumour came up. I said 'assuming Philly would trade him (but why would they?), what could the Oilers offer? And how would they fit him under the cap?

His response: it would have to include Yamamoto. And maybe Foegele.

Okay, but Foegele is a UFA and thus has no value. And why would Philly trade their best player for Yamamoto? It would have to include Holloway, Broberg and a 1st. Or something equivalent.

His response was: no way the Oilers would do that.

Okay, but you can't buy a Porsche with Walmart coupons.

It is truly fascinating to see how they think.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

It is truly fascinating to see how they think.

In fairness, many of our fans want to trade Huberdeau for a hotdog and a flat coke. Our fanbase is basically the mirror opposite of theirs.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

In fairness, many of our fans want to trade Huberdeau for a hotdog and a flat coke. Our fanbase is basically the mirror opposite of theirs.

Every one knows that if the Flames trade Huby for spare parts at his lowest-ever value after a transitional year in a dysfunctional locker room that they would promptly be made to look like fools not a year later, even with Huberdeau pulling in a hefty 10.5/season.

Wouldn't be the extent of Tkachuk, but a Tkachuk-lite situation.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That Arizona proposal is quite possibly the worst trade proposal I have EVER seen. And yet, it was thanked and/or supported, by MULTIPLE people. Jesus ####ing Christ!

I mean, if we were talking about switching the 5th overall to the 1st, at least that has a real value which can be discussed. But moving from 16 to 12 has only the most marginal value - it's quite possible that they would pick the exact same player regardless! And even if that isn't the case, the likelihood of which player ends up better is only marginally higher than a coin flip.

And some of you think that's worth Huberdeau and Kylington!?!

If you made that offer JUST for Kylington, I would laugh and hang up. Unless there was a very specific player that I thought was going to be available at 12 but not 16. Otherwise, it's laughable. And then you're 'throwing in' Huberdeau.

It is unbelievable how short-sighted and reactive to one bad season some of you are. Not to mention, how much some of you over-value draft picks, relative to actual NHL players.

They threw in a 3rd to bring balance to the deal lol.

People talk like Huberdeau is a bum its hilarious.

Who are we going to sign with that cap space? J

The way Huska and Conroy talked about Huberdeau it sounds like a player who cares and knows he had a bad season. These are proud people he us going to make 10.5 and I think he wants to show his worth.

Even when its been detailed about what happened people find a way to blame Huberdeau and Markstrom for the season.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

That's a good thought.

Huberdeau after a bounce back might still be overpaid by about 2M/yr, but if the Flames shipped him out I highly doubt that whoever they sign with that cap would bring more to the table.

It's easy to romanticize cap flexibility, but you have to rembember that high end talent also doesn't just sprout out of the ground for small Canadian markets to just pick at will if they have some money to blow.

Betting on what Huberdeau can do in a better situation is probably the best investment for this team at this juncture.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dino7c

When did the Flames finish 8th again?

We failed to reach those lofty goals last season. I am trying to be positive for next year.