I wonder if Meredith was at the press conference instead, she may have been able to better answer the questions. Because honestly, Gaudreau looked and talked like he had just gotten off the plane and said "OMG WAIT, THIS ISN'T WHERE WE PICKED IS IT???"
Reminds me of this. Heck, Winnipeg might have been a better destination lol.
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With pretty good reason to believe an elite talent in Gaudreau may actually want to come there, and only one year of JVR left at 7 M, they commit over 10 million long term, 5.1 to Rasmus Rostolainen and then trade for locker room poison Tony deAngelo
If Gaudreau we can speculate may have taken a bit less, say just over 9 million to join Philly, that would be only a couple million north of the over 7 million that they are paying Kevin Hayes
Yikes
I and many of you on CP would be a better GM than Chuck Fletcher
Both Philly and Jersey royally effed this up. The Flyers prob could have had him for $9mil/per. Then they go and sign DePlorable and that went out the window.
The only good thing to come out of this if you hate Goodrow, which I do now, is that he chose the worst team out of the 3.
Also if the Devils only offering that $10.5 without a NMC and NTC is mind numbingly stupid. Goodrow isn't a tier 2 or 3 UFA. You are offering over $10mil/per!
The only good thing is that if you hate Johnny Goodrow, which I do now, is that he chose the worst of the 4 teams(including Islanders)
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There is a good lesson there actually. You miss on 100% of the chances you don't take. You have to take a swing at everything.
I made both those quotes up.
Seriously though, it drives me nuts when a player is available and people are say don't bother because they will never sign here, etc.... Or don't make a contract offer to a player, because another team will just match. You just do it, and then see what happens. I wonder how many teams never made JG an offer because they just assumed that they had no chance.
Yup.
You have one job as GM...inquire on everything.
It's what drives me nuts when people say "Oh great Treliving supposedly is interested again, bridesmaid but never the bride"
That's a good thing - you want him involved in every discussion. Even if in the end he just drives the price up for a rival that's a good outcome.
It's much better than just sitting on your hands and not seeing what options may be available out there.
I think Johnny was genuinely torn - I do believe that his wife had a big say in things however as well (and I don't begrudge her for that either)
I mean people say Europeans play away from home all the time, which is true, however, the pay differential between the swedish elite league and the NHL isn't even comparable... The KHL has higher salaries for sure, but there are Russians that do stay there or use it as a bargaining level.
I think when that offer of 10.5 was on the table, Johnny would have happily signed it, but his wife had misgivings, especially being someone that was about to have a child, undoubtedly wanted to be closer to family and not deal with an international border. And the negotiations took a long time because Johnny was hoping to convince her to stay....
Money, in this case, wasn't the motivation
Maybe its just a defense mechanism, but I think Johnny was genuine in saying that he enjoyed his time here... Calgary isn't some cosmopolitan mecca, but its a nice place to live and raise a family. Safe, clean, reasonable close to the mountains, great restaurant scene.
I think eventually we may find out the reasons why...
I think this is a very likely scenario.
The other thing that stands out to me in watching his post-Flames interviews (and actually was obvious all through his time here) is how inarticulate he is. You’d never get the kind of heart-felt departure speech like Jarome’s from Gaudreau, even if he actually had the same feelings about Calgary and the Flames.
I don’t like the way this turned out, but I won’t let this nullify all the positives of the last 8+ years.
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Both Philly and Jersey royally effed this up. The Flyers prob could have had him for $9mil/per. Then they go and sign DePlorable and that went out the window.
The only good thing to come out of this if you hate Goodrow, which I do now, is that he chose the worst team out of the 3.
Also if the Devils only offering that $10.5 without a NMC and NTC is mind numbingly stupid. Goodrow isn't a tier 2 or 3 UFA. You are offering over $10mil/per!
The only good thing is that if you hate Johnny Goodrow, which I do now, is that he chose the worst of the 4 teams(including Islanders)
Philly didn’t want Gaudreau. i don’t think NJ did either. For both teams it was pointless.
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I really don't think Philly wanted him at 10M for 7-8 years...they didn't just forget to clear space. By the time they might be good the contact would be bad.
I really don't think Philly wanted him at 10M for 7-8 years...they didn't just forget to clear space. By the time they might be good the contact would be bad.
Also, there is some kinda draft coming up
I think Philly could have had him for less to be honest.
If Philly came to the table with $9M x 7 ... I think he would have taken it over the $9.75M x 7 for Columbus.
You already left $15M on the table...what's $4M more.
I get not wanting to move out JVR with a 1st attached - but I'm sure there were some other things they could have done if they got creative. For starters just don't sign freaking Tony DeAngelo, move JVR with 50% retained and boom I just created $8.5M of cap space right there.
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Honestly it’s crazy to think how Fletch pretty much went out of his way to not acquire Johnny who proved he was willing to take less to just leave Calgary for anywhere that was closer. I’d agree he’d likely have taken an even lower AAV if it meant suiting up with the Flyers. Bizarre series of events to get Johnny taking probably the biggest jersey downgrade in recent memory lol.
Or a guy that was playing hurt kept his mouth shut because he didn't want to get shut down for the season.
Respectfully, I think that falls under my second option: the team and the player have a poor relationship if management and medical staff were unable to convince him of the poor choice involved there.
Honestly it’s crazy to think how Fletch pretty much went out of his way to not acquire Johnny who proved he was willing to take less to just leave Calgary for anywhere that was closer. I’d agree he’d likely have taken an even lower AAV if it meant suiting up with the Flyers. Bizarre series of events to get Johnny taking probably the biggest jersey downgrade in recent memory lol.
I wonder if there's some residual family love for the flaming C among the fletchers.
Johnny has a wife and new conditions which influence the potential to stay. We don't know what went down, but when there is a spouse involved, things can change rapidly and may appear to be done without reason.
This. Especially if wife is expecting their first child. Women pretty much get a pass from me on emotional decisions at this time, and I can't fault JG for prioritizing his wife over his fans. Sux for us, but I understand.
Respectfully, I think that falls under my second option: the team and the player have a poor relationship if management and medical staff were unable to convince him of the poor choice involved there.
Could be.
Could also be that he was playing hurt and not telling them. Playing hurt but being told he wasn't doing any additional damage.
Could also be that he was playing hurt and not telling them. Playing hurt but being told he wasn't doing any additional damage.
Where does the bad relationship come from?
Sean reportedly told Tre that he'd be out for the season when he was no longer able to be on the ice (basically when he couldn't hide it anymore).
Whether the relationship is soured due to this is irrelevant to what's at stake IMO. He needs to be honest with his trainers and medical staff sooner or he's risking worse injury down the road. He's already had multiple surgeries - hip, neck, back stuff especially you don't want to mess around with.
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Yes, and discussing these possibilities is literally how people hope to gain more understanding.
But you're right - why bother discussing anything? Let's all put our hands, shout "I don't know!" and call it a day.
It's just funny how quickly single unsubstantiated rumours turn into 'facts'.
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Our management team was left sitting on their hands during one of the busiest drafts ever and the week leading into free agency. For leverage. This is what I’m upset about.
Again, that is 100% their own doing. They took the course they thought had the best chance of keeping the player and it didn't work. For all we know Johnny's camp were eager to get the Flames absolute final offer sooner than later, and felt some degree of disrespect that the Flames seemed to be waiting and waiting to give it to them.
I can imagine a scenario where JG's camp says something like "if you won't get to 10.5M then there is no point in discussing further. We think that is a fair number and won't nickel and dime further (assuming other terms of course)...but Johnny and Meredith will still need a few hours to make a final decision."
Which is still a bit of a weird scenario, but far more likely than an ultimatum from 13's camp IMO. Though it wouldn't take much of a game of telephone for it to turn into the story we've heard here. Or maybe for the Flames to not fully appreciate the nuance of my last hypothetical sentence.
ie. it's possible the Flames strategy was to wait as long as possible hoping 13 would cave closer to their standing offer (I think it's plausible they heard what they wanted to hear - not what was actually said - on the last communication from 13's camp), or that the urgency of a final-final-final offer in the last hour would get them to say yes.
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I will be glad when this thread runs it's course and I don't have to see it anymore. Sick of seeing anything about Johnny Turncoat.
I'm still confident he'll sign. Everything is right on schedule.
What I am more curious about lately, is IF the relationship was soured and Johnny has a bad taste for the Flames management now, what is being said between players on the roster, and amongst everybody else about the Flames.
I don't think it take a a rocket scientist to surmise that Johnny is a bit emotionally immature, but what is being said and how it is being taken, has me intrigued.
