2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[MegaErtz]

I love the guy. He's been incredible for us this season, and he's the only reason we aren't in the bottom three league wide.

His value is based on his performance in relation to the remaining term of his contract. People in this thread seem to think we can retain half his salary and trade him for Mercer, Luke Hughes, or Nemec. In reality, we're going to have to take on Vanecek's full salary and hope for a first round pick at best to go along with it.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I love the guy. He's been incredible for us this season, and he's the only reason we aren't in the bottom three league wide.

His value is based on his performance in relation to the remaining term of his contract. People in this thread seem to think we can retain half his salary and trade him for Mercer, Luke Hughes, or Nemec. In reality, we're going to have to take on Vanecek's full salary and hope for a first round pick at best to go along with it.

In reality, you don’t know that.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Incogneto

We know you obviously aren’t a fan of Markstrom, but your pure hatred for him and his value is unfounded.

Yes, it’s fact that last year he did not have a great year. But it’s also a fact that he’s having a fantastic year this year. And thankfully for the Flames, his value is based on this year and not last year.

To add to your point, Markstrom’s value is based on his career and probably more accurately the past several years. He has been a top tier goalie in the league for the past 5-6 years, on average, and based on this years performance it doesn’t look like his performance is about to fall off a cliff.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I love the guy. He's been incredible for us this season, and he's the only reason we aren't in the bottom three league wide.

His value is based on his performance in relation to the remaining term of his contract. People in this thread seem to think we can retain half his salary and trade him for Mercer, Luke Hughes, or Nemec. In reality, we're going to have to take on Vanecek's full salary and hope for a first round pick at best to go along with it.

I think people misunderstand value. They think it's "How well are they playing right now?" instead of "How well can I reasonably project them to play for the rest of their contract, and how much will I have to not spend on the rest of my roster to pay for it?"

[transplant99]

Im still not entirely convinced he is getting traded before the TDL.

I think its a bigger off season move when far more teams could be seeking his services AND have the necessary cap room.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Im still not entirely convinced he is getting traded before the TDL.

I think its a bigger off season move when far more teams could be seeking his services AND have the necessary cap room.

I could easily see you being right. This seems like the kind of thing that could be re-visited between the Devils and the Flames, at the draft, if it doesn’t work out, before the TDL.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Im still not entirely convinced he is getting traded before the TDL.

I think its a bigger off season move when far more teams could be seeking his services AND have the necessary cap room.

I think it really depends on the premium they think they'll have to pay now vs. the off-season, comparative to a long playoff run with Markstrom. Now that things are in motion, from a business standpoint Fitzgerald's attempt may be seen as a failed push. No doubt NJ has enough young guns that they can afford to pay a bit to go for it to get that playoff revenue, which would be very lucrative in ownerships eyes, especially with a young team where "anything can happen". I have no doubt now they're all-in without saying so. They're probably checking backup options as due diligence but if they're fixated on Markstrom, and don't come out with him it would be seen as a failure with ownership. Fitzgerald is 4 years into his tenure there...he's gotta put it together around now. That business politics side of things can't be forgotten about.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Im still not entirely convinced he is getting traded before the TDL.

I think its a bigger off season move when far more teams could be seeking his services AND have the necessary cap room.

Flip side is that the other teams will have more options in the off-season. If there is a good offer then I think they take it.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I think it really depends on the premium they think they'll have to pay now vs. the off-season, comparative to a long playoff run with Markstrom. Now that things are in motion, from a business standpoint Fitzgerald's attempt may be seen as a failed push. No doubt NJ has enough young guns that they can afford to pay a bit to go for it to get that playoff revenue, which would be very lucrative in ownerships eyes, especially with a young team where "anything can happen". I have no doubt now they're all-in without saying so. They're probably checking backup options as due diligence but if they're fixated on Markstrom, and don't come out with him it would be seen as a failure with ownership. Fitzgerald is 4 years into his tenure there...he's gotta put it together around now. That business politics side of things can't be forgotten about.

Yeah I dont think Fitzgerald will have his feet held to the fire when you consider the injuries the Devils have had to endure this year. Its been absurd.

They have to address the G at some point for sure, its been very subpar.
That being said, he/they may be better off in the long run and not have to give up the same amount/quality of assets should they just be patient moving forward.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Flip side is that the other teams will have more options in the off-season. If there is a good offer then I think they take it.

I’ll take desperation every time. Also, off-season there are more players on the market which reduces leverage. No other team is offering a premium goalie at TDL

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I’ll take desperation every time. Also, off-season there are more players on the market which reduces leverage. No other team is offering a premium goalie at TDL

Yup. I think they only wait till the offseason if retention is a real deal beaker

[flambers]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Im still not entirely convinced he is getting traded before the TDL.

I think its a bigger off season move when far more teams could be seeking his services AND have the necessary cap room.

Hope you are wrong, not sure his value will ever be higher.

Flames best move is to trade Markstrom

At his age and with 2 years left, he won't be around when this team is ready to be a contender in my view

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Im still not entirely convinced he is getting traded before the TDL.

I think its a bigger off season move when far more teams could be seeking his services AND have the necessary cap room.

Hard to say if more teams would be interested or not because goaltending is a strange commodity. The other factor is that in the offseason more players likely are available to move because 31 teams know they did not win.

In a way it reminds me of the Philadelphia Phillies not being willing to part with Kyle Drabek to get Roy Halladay. They lost the World Series that Fall and ended up trading Drabek in the offseason for Halladay. So major lost opportunity for them on what amounted to a nothing player. The Devils are not really a cup favorite right now, but the East could be more open for hot team to go on a run.

[Heavy Jack]

The east also has the Panthers of 2023 fresh in their minds for the ‘just get in’ mentality. The devils have a really good team that has underperformed so far this year largely due to goaltending woes. I think with all the smoke that the Devils certainly seem motivated to make a splash and with Daws tiding them over with some wins they are in a great position to deal from a position of strength for a position of need. Markstrom would be a big get for them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We need to strike now. The offseason the package will be significantly worse.

What’s being talked about right now, goalies don’t usually get that.

This deal has to happen for us now.

[Sofa GM]

It's been published that the Oilers are making a push for Tanev. Does that put pressure on a couple of the other WC teams to up the ante for the arms race in the west, specifically Dallas and Vancouver.

I am a fan of accumulating picks but is there a scenario here where we could use some of the acquired picks along with Tanev to get an actually blue-chip prospect. Examples,

To VAN
Tanev (50% retained)
2024 1st (VAN pick)

To CGY
Lekkerimaki
Johannsen

or

To DAL
Tanev (50% retained)
2024 1st (VAN)

To CGY
Stankoven
Bischel

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah I dont think Fitzgerald will have his feet held to the fire when you consider the injuries the Devils have had to endure this year. Its been absurd.

They have to address the G at some point for sure, its been very subpar.
That being said, he/they may be better off in the long run and not have to give up the same amount/quality of assets should they just be patient moving forward.

Even if they could get a better deal this off-season, I think ownership tends to want those playoff dollars. The core is already young, and with Hughes being a bit of a dick already saying they need goaltending puts that in the crosshairs more than anything. Things can turn around in a heartbeat and I'd be willing to bet that there is a push from above to get this done with just negotiating small things over the hump. The chance to go on a long run with a competent goaltender and possible a dman, along with a young team is just too much to pass off, especially when so many in the east are looking shaky. Again, money above all, for a small market it means a lot. That's just my thoughts that they can't wait until off-season where this year a lot can align just right.

[GioforPM]

Tanev to Oilers for a second, Holloway and say Brogerg, but only if he suddenly forgets how to play defence when he gets there.

[keenan87]

It would be nice to see a Markstrom deal go down soon. Same thing with Hanifin + Tanev if Conroy gets the value he needs.

My ultimate hope is for the Flames to complete all their needed work by March 1. Then, they can go into the trade deadline with a fresh lens to explore new potential avenues with little to no pressure.

[taxbuster]

I have nothing of value to add to this other than to say:


>> I appreciate the tidbits and hints (verified, speculative or real as they may - or may not - be) from Sec and Diss. Good for the enjoyment value even if never come to fruition.


>> Please keep the rumours coming! I have no inside info, don't know anyone who does other than our mutual contributors on CP.



>> I used to have seats in Sec 215 for years until I moved from Calgary. Does that count for anything?