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Da_Chief · 03-16-2014, 11:06 AM

Lucic, Kane, Hartnell, Perry, Benn, Kunitz, Oshie, Backes, Iginla, Neal, Byfuglien, Ladd, Simmonds, Schenn, Marchand etc... These are just some of the top ones.

No way a dying breed.

Ashasx · 03-16-2014, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

Here's a couple. Getzlaf, Perry, Benn, Byfuglien, Backes. I'm sure others can name a few others.

The only one you can say is Backes. None of the others are even close to being powerforwards.

Ashasx · 03-16-2014, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Wow.

We now correctly know that they aren't powerforwards, but yes, at the time of the draft, both were incorrectly lauded as such.

This is what I'm trying to say. Powerforwards are extremely rare and most draft eligible players who are described as such will amount to nothing.

Ashasx · 03-16-2014, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Lucic, Kane, Hartnell, Perry, Benn, Kunitz, Oshie, Backes, Iginla, Neal, Byfuglien, Ladd, Simmonds, Schenn, Marchand etc... These are just some of the top ones.

No way a dying breed.

James Neal?

Skinniest player in the league, James Neal?

Vulcan · 03-16-2014, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

The only one you can say is Backes. None of the others are even close to being powerforwards.

No, I can say all of them.

devo22 · 03-16-2014, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

The only one you can say is Backes. None of the others are even close to being powerforwards.

so Perry isn't a power forward? Benn isn't a power forward? Byfuglien wasn't a power forward in Chicago? Lol, okay.

Gaskal · 03-16-2014, 11:11 AM

I do have a feeling that Burke will trade down with Anaheim if he feels he can't secure the top players in his mind with the Flames pick - which I'm guessing is Ekblad or Draisaitl.

Ashasx · 03-16-2014, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by devo22

so Perry isn't a power forward? Byfuglien wasn't a power forward in Chicago? Lol, okay.

If your definition for powerforward is being 6'2" or over and nothing else, then yes.

Otherwise they are not powerforwards.

nik- · 03-16-2014, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kehatch

Fair comment. But I don't mean in the last couple of weeks. The guy is a really smart, very versatile, two way C and he shoots right (bonus). So I guess I should love him.

I guess I project him the same as I project Monahan. As a really good 2-line C on a cup calibre team. I think we need some meanness and attitude up the middle and having Monahan makes Reinhart a bit redundant. If those two are our top 2 C we will have the nicest and quietest C in the league!

I would love to have him in our system. But I think we can leverage that pick to better fill holes in our system.

He tops out better than Monahan imo, and I would love that type of "redundancy".

devo22 · 03-16-2014, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

If your definition for powerforward is being 6'2" or over and nothing else, then yes.

Otherwise they are not powerforwards.

my definition of a power forward is a player that has size and a good shot, crashes the net, works hqrd along the boards, plays with an edge and drops the gloves occasionally. Please, enlighten me what's wrong with that definition and/or why the above mentioned players don't fit the criteria in your opinion.

kehatch · 03-16-2014, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't get this. How many powerforwards are there in the NHL right now? 1 or 2? Lucic and Kane maybe?

Powerforwards are dead. Iginla was the last true powerforward in the NHL.

Ritchie has to be truly exceptional to become a successful NHLer given his play style. Many better powerforward prospect have come and gone without amounting to anything.

Not sure why any Flames fan would want a player like this after Chucko and Nemisz.

I don't agree with this at all. First of all, to the best of my knowledge Iginla is still in the game and playing very well. Second, there are power forwards all over the NHL. It is a REALLY important position. Having the net presence, physical play, combined with the ability to score and play top 6 is really valuable.

Here is a link to just some power forwards in the NHL: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...2013-14-season

Another: http://manitobahockeynews.com/from-l...ds-in-the-nhl/

Ashasx · 03-16-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kehatch

I don't agree with this at all. First of all, to the best of my knowledge Iginla is still in the game and playing very well. Second, there are power forwards all over the NHL. It is a REALLY important position. Having the net presence, physical play, combined with the ability to score and play top 6 is really valuable.

Here is a link to just some power forwards in the NHL: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...2013-14-season

Another: http://manitobahockeynews.com/from-l...ds-in-the-nhl/

Iginla stopped being a powerforward in 06/07.

nik- · 03-16-2014, 11:21 AM

That list has Marian Hossa as a power forward.

Ashasx · 03-16-2014, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by devo22

my definition of a power forward is a player that has size and a good shot, crashes the net, works hqrd along the boards, plays with an edge and drops the gloves occasionally. Please, enlighten me what's wrong with that definition and/or why the above mentioned players don't fit the criteria in your opinion.

Are we going to be calling Monahan a powerforward in a couple of years?

You are confusing players like Kopitar with powerforwards.

kehatch · 03-16-2014, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by nik-

He tops out better than Monahan imo, and I would love that type of "redundancy".

Sure. Like I said, I would love to have him in the system. But if there is a knock against Monahan it is that he is too nice. So is Reinhart. The two of them have like 17 PIMS combined. That is an awfully gentile C line with those guys as your 1 2.

You asked me why I have cooled off on Reinhart. Just answering with my opinion. Really great prospect / player. But I think we could leverage the pick better. Again, just my opinion.

nik- · 03-16-2014, 11:27 AM

I wasn't aware of the "too nice" knock on Monahan. He's not out there's crosschecking people in the face, but he's not backing down from anyone.

Where is this too nice thing coming from?

devo22 · 03-16-2014, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Are we going to be calling Monahan a powerforward in a couple of years?

You are confusing players like Kopitar with powerforwards.

no, I hope we can call him a smart and very productive two-way center. If there's a Flames prospect that *could* be a power forward, then it's Ferland. But what do I know ... after all, I'm one of those who call Iginla and Perry power forwards.

Enoch Root · 03-16-2014, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kehatch

Fair comment. But I don't mean in the last couple of weeks. The guy is a really smart, very versatile, two way C and he shoots right (bonus). So I guess I should love him.

I guess I project him the same as I project Monahan. As a really good 2-line C on a cup calibre team. I think we need some meanness and attitude up the middle and having Monahan makes Reinhart a bit redundant. If those two are our top 2 C we will have the nicest and quietest C in the league!

I would love to have him in our system. But I think we can leverage that pick to better fill holes in our system.

Reinhart and Monahan are nothing alike. And offensive players like Reinhart are rarely overly tough or physical, however he is very competitive and that is good.

Also, I think Monahan will continue to become more physical as he matures and strengthens - we have already seen some of that as this season has progressed.

Suggesting Reinhart and Monahan would be too similar and too soft is way off the mark IMO.

Gaskal · 03-16-2014, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by nik-

I wasn't aware of the "too nice" knock on Monahan. He's not out there's crosschecking people in the face, but he's not backing down from anyone.

Where is this too nice thing coming from?

The @boringmonahan account fools people into thinking that Sean is a mild-mannered, timid youngster out on the ice.

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I can't believe we won the game. I tried to high five Mark Giordano but I missed his hand and then he high fived Paul Byron instead of me.

kehatch · 03-16-2014, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Iginla stopped being a powerforward in 06/07.

Lets just concede that according to Ashasx's definition of a power forward they are dead. Lets also concede that Ashasx's opinion of a power forwards is different than everyone else's.

Here is the WIKI definition if you want it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_(ice_hockey)

As for the actual prospect in question, I believe Ritchie can be a top 6 forward playing a physical game. Obviously if you don't think he can produce as a top 6 forward than you won't like the prospect. Use whatever definition you want, that is what it comes down to.