Because Drouin was easily the best offensive player in the draft behind Mackinnon, and Barkov could easily be a franchise centre as well?
I love Monahan, but I don't think this is a 90+ point guy we're looking at.
I get that but he probably wanted size over the skill in Drouin considering we had Sven and I don't think there was a big difference between Barkov and Monahan. Maybe it came down to Canadian vs Euro for his ranking?
Personally I think Monahan will have a better career than Barkov...could be wrong but I like Seans "smarts" a little more.
BTW, the likelyhood of any of them besides maybe Mackinnon becoming a 90+ player is slim IMO
I get that but he probably wanted size over the skill in Drouin considering we had Sven and I don't think there was a big difference between Barkov and Monahan. Maybe it came down to Canadian vs Euro for his ranking?
Personally I think Monahan will have a better career than Barkov...could be wrong but I like Seans "smarts" a little more.
BTW, the likelyhood of any of them besides maybe Mackinnon becoming a 90+ player is slim IMO
I don't think that's necessarily true. It was a toss up almost to the draft of who would go first between the three. That top three are elite talent. Even with Monahan's success, I'd be lying if I told you I wouldn't trade him for either Drouin or Barkov straight up.
Just read something about the Sabres without Ryan Miller:
Jonas Enroth is 1-10-5 (1 win in 16 decisions) this year. They could go directly into the tank once they trade Miller. Oilers are going to have to pull their socks up to finish last this year. (They did get Matt Hackett in a trade from the Wild but he hasn't been great in the AHL this year).
I think Buffalo will win the tankfest for sure, but I still think the Flames will be 2nd or 3rd. It sure looks like a bottom 5 (Sabres, Oilers, Flames, Panthers, Islanders).
Not complaining about the winning streak at all (and I know Burke said something about not trading the pick) but I wonder if we ended up with the 5th pick, would we consider moving down. Fleury was mentioned as possible target, which might make sense if there were other good assets accumulated. Just not sold on Draisaitl or Dal Colle.
I get that but he probably wanted size over the skill in Drouin considering we had Sven and I don't think there was a big difference between Barkov and Monahan. Maybe it came down to Canadian vs Euro for his ranking?
Personally I think Monahan will have a better career than Barkov...could be wrong but I like Seans "smarts" a little more.
BTW, the likelyhood of any of them besides maybe Mackinnon becoming a 90+ player is slim IMO
Barkov's 'smarts' is on par if not higher than Monahan's, is bigger, almost a full year younger and scouts feel he has a much higher offensive ceiling. If Weisbrod did indeed have Monahan ahead of Barkov, that would definitely be a questionable ranking. I really love Monahan, but I don't think there is any facet to his game today that is better than Barkov's, or shows in any way he will be a superior player. You never know what may happen, but at this point, Barkov is the superior prospect.
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That line illustrates why the "top 5" argument you're trying to make is useless. Top 5 picks are dependant on the quality of the draft, not just the quality of the player.
Yes, that's why I'm not really concerned if we pick 1st or 5th this year as they are all roughly similar talent wise. Next year though, there is a huge drop off after #4. That's why I am hoping that we get one of those guys. It also helps that those 4 are also looking like star players like McKinnon/Drouin/Hall/Seguin, so that's why I am really hoping that we can snag one of them. They just are that good, and I would like to have Monahan have a Patrick Kane to his Jonathan Toews.
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It really doesn't matter if we don't pick top 5 next year. Championships are one by properly built teams, not high picks (just ask the Oilers).
It does matter as we'll have a better shot at winning the cup down the road if we do. It's not the end of the world, but it would make things a lot easier. Also, Edmonton picked the worst time to suck. Yakupov and RNH are not very good for #1 overall picks. Their drafts were not very good. Also the Oilers have the worst scouting abilities in the league. All their other picks have been garbage.
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Seguin played a minor role in Boston's win, Detroit had none, Tampa had mid-late round picks playing just as well as Lecavalier, Doughty was far from the most dominant player on the team, and Ryan didn't even participate.
Seguin did play a role though, and contributed. If he wasn't there, they might have not won, it's too hard to tell. Even in a depth role, he did help. Tampa had Boyle, St. Louis and Richards playing awesome in 04, but if they didn't have Lecavalier they wouldn't have likely made it to the finals let alone win and Doughty was one of the Kings most important players. They don't even make the playoffs without him, let alone win. I did misremember with Ryan.
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Whether a pick is top 5 or top 10, it makes little difference. It's picks 30-200+ that make the difference. If Calgary wins a cup in the next decade it won't be the Monahans that win it, it'll be the Brodies, the Boumas, and the Backlunds.
It makes a huge difference when there are star calibre players 1-4 and then mid round pick guys from 5 on. It's like getting Baertschi vs getting Duchesne or Seguin or even possibly another Crosby (McDavid).
That said, if you don't have a supporting cast to surround those guys, it won't help much. Look at the Isles. However, the Flames have a lot of that cast in the organization already. That's why I'd like them to get some flash to go along with the depth.
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Love Monahan but if that's true then I'm really glad Weisbrod is gone.
Having Monahan ahead of Drouin and Barkov may not have been consensus, but it's far from making him incompetent.
Drouin is an obvious talent, but there are legitimate concerns about how well his game will transfer to the NHL. That isn't to say he won't make it, it is just questioning how much of an offensive star he'll be. And regardless, he is somewhat of a one-dimensional player.
As for the Barkov / Monahan debate, I was one of the few that said all last year I would rather have Monahan. I think he'll be a more complete player - I just love the way he wants to be better at everything. I also think he has more offensive upside than most people think - time will tell.
The point is that judging 18 year olds to determine who is going to be the best player is far from an exact science. Barkov and Monahan are close enough that preferring Monahan over the favoured Barkov is far from a stretch.
And while Drouin was indisputably a superior talent, that doesn't necessarily make him a better pick. Along with whether his game transfers to the NHL or not, there are also the issues of size and position, with Monahan being a C.
I have no problem at all with Weisbrod ranking Monahan ahead of both of those guys.
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As for the Seguin debate, sure he played a role - and in the finals, he contributed quite a bit.
But the argument is about whether you need top 5 picks to win the cup. And for anyone to argue that Seguin was a key piece of the puzzle that made the Bruins cup contenders, well... good luck with that argument. With any other decent C in that position, they were the same contending team.
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Models his game after Doug Gilmour, and has drawn comparisons to him. Seems to be unafraid to go to the tough areas to make plays, wins puck battles along the boards, can set up plays and score with some pretty slick hands shown on a couple highlights there. High end skill and an energy player.
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Out of all of this, I have no idea where we're going to pick nor who would be the best choice, but I do know this, the Coilers don't deserve any of these guys. Even when that organization sucks, they're still easy to hate.
Here's a video on Sam Bennett for those who are curious to know a little more about the player ranked #1 at the midway point (and a large possibility for the Flames):
Models his game after Doug Gilmour, and has drawn comparisons to him. Seems to be unafraid to go to the tough areas to make plays, wins puck battles along the boards, can set up plays and score with some pretty slick hands shown on a couple highlights there. High end skill and an energy player.
