Craig's List 2014 Prospects

[Red John]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Kind of hoping the Flames win the Lottery and by default get two first round picks with NJ having to forfeit theirs. May not be a DEEP draft but whenever you can throw more high end mud at the wall the better.

You won't get a guy like Klimchuk around 30 this time but for sure it'll be nice to have a pick around that spot. For example last year the Flames wanted badly to grab Madison Bowey in the 2nd round but unfortunately had traded that 36 pick and couldn't swing a deal to recoup it.

In hindsight would have been a great pick too as Bowey has progressed extremely well this year.

Although its a weak year both at the top and depth wise in this draft, whats nice is that there are two guys at the very top, so if you finish last you pick first or second and get one of them for sure. Would be a good year to manage to finish last.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Kind of hoping the Flames win the Lottery and by default get two first round picks with NJ having to forfeit theirs. May not be a DEEP draft but whenever you can throw more high end mud at the wall the better.

The rest of the picks don't move up spots when you win the lottery, just #1


Even so early second round picks are awesome and I'm glad the Flames finally have one (for now...)

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Red John

You won't get a guy like Klimchuk around 30 this time but for sure it'll be nice to have a pick around that spot. For example last year the Flames wanted badly to grab Madison Bowey in the 2nd round but unfortunately had traded that 36 pick and couldn't swing a deal to recoup it.

Where did you get this info from?

Last year, the Flames invited 4 prospects to their mini-combine. Monahan, Klimchuk, Poirier and Petan. Seems to me that Petan was the guy they would have been trying to get. Feaster also seemed to sort of covet players like Petan - exceptional skill, but a question mark in size.

As for the Ekblad/Reinhart dilemma (not that I think there will be one, unless the Flames draft 1st over-all), I kind of think about it this way.

Flames have managed to find some pretty damn good defencemen over the last years. Regehr, Giordano, Bouwmeester, Phaneuf. All easily top 4. All probably top pairing in their primes on good teams.

Compare that to the center issues with this team over the years. Best Flames have filled that position was with Conroy and Langkow - no slouches at all, but neither would be a top centermen on any team. Jokinen was the only (at the time) legitimate shot at finally filling that hole, but it failed.

Top tier centers are available much less often, and are much more rare than very good defencemen.

I still say the Flames draft the BPA - if it is Ekblad by the time the Flames get up there (even if it is 1st, 2nd or for some reason, later in the draft) then of course you take Ekblad. I just think the Flames shouldn't make it an issue to fill in organizational holes at the draft.

A couple of years ago, D and RW were organizational strengths, with LW and especially C being weak. Now look at it. LW is probably the strongest. Center is probably the next strongest, followed by D, and a very weak RW. Thing can change in a hurry, and all a team must keep on doing at a draft table is select the very best players at any position that they feel project into being the very best players in the NHL.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by neo45

The rest of the picks don't move up spots when you win the lottery, just #1


Even so early second round picks are awesome and I'm glad the Flames finally have one (for now...)

Am I missing something, NJ simply forfeit their pick, its not in a lottery draw right?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Where did you get this info from?

Last year, the Flames invited 4 prospects to their mini-combine. Monahan, Klimchuk, Poirier and Petan. Seems to me that Petan was the guy they would have been trying to get. Feaster also seemed to sort of covet players like Petan - exceptional skill, but a question mark in size.

I posted that last summer. I heard it from someone in the organization.

He said Bowey was highly regarded by the Flames. One person in upper management said Bowey was one of the best interviews they had with a draft eligible prospect.

Only reason he wasn't invited to the mini-combine was the mini-combine was for players they were targeting with the 1st rounders.

The person in upper management said the Flames really wished they had a 2nd rounder for Bowey. Especially since he fell to the late 2nd round.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by bucksmasher

Am I missing something, NJ simply forfeit their pick, its not in a lottery draw right?

No its in the lottery draw. If they win it, the first overall pick is forfeited and technically the next team that picks gets the first overall pick (even though for the record it would be called the 2nd overall pick).

[Gord Wappel]

One of Burke's signature moves was the Sedins.
That one worked out.
So w.b. equally Burke-like to put two Reinharts together.
If he likes them, but he shouldn't be tipping his hand before the draft .

[sureLoss]

Sam Reinhart with 2G 1A +3 in a 5-4 victory over the Oil Kings.

First game since he left for the WJC.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

No its in the lottery draw. If they win it, the first overall pick is forfeited and technically the next team that picks gets the first overall pick (even though for the record it would be called the 2nd overall pick).

Sorry I guess I haven't been following it but what is the reason for NJ's forfeit? Does it have something to do with over the salary cap or something?

[saXon]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Flames are closer to 30th than 27th now thanks to this horrible January. I do think the chances of drafting in the top 2 is very likely. I really hope we get Ekblad but would be happy with Reinhart I get the feeling if Burke wants Ekblad he will get him unless Edmonton picks 1st

No, I'd say they are closer to 27th as they are 27th in the league.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by OzSome

Sorry I guess I haven't been following it but what is the reason for NJ's forfeit? Does it have something to do with over the salary cap or something?

For circumventing the salary cap when they first signed Kovalchuk.

Originally Posted by saXon

No, I'd say they are closer to 27th as they are 27th in the league.

28th

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by OzSome

Sorry I guess I haven't been following it but what is the reason for NJ's forfeit? Does it have something to do with over the salary cap or something?

The league fined the Devils $3million, a 3rd pick in 2011 and a 1st round pick in the Devil's choice of the 2011, 2012, 2013, or 2014 drafts.

It was the penalty for signing Kovalchuk to the 1st contract of 17 years $102 million that an arbitrator ruled was cap circumvention.

Devils are widely criticized for not forfeiting the pick in 2012 when they went the cup finals and the pick would have been 29th overall.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by saXon

No, I'd say they are closer to 27th as they are 27th in the league.

You are wrong they are 28th

[saXon]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

You are wrong they are 28th

28th is still closer to 27th than 30th.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by saXon

28th is still closer to 27th than 30th.

not in terms of points, which obviously was the point of the post.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by saXon

28th is still closer to 27th than 30th.

You are not getting it. They are 5pts back of 27th and 5pts up on 30th with the Sabres having a game in hand.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

You are not getting it. They are 5pts back of 27th and 5pts up on 30th with the Sabres having a game in hand.

Simmer down. It was obviously in jest.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by neo45

The rest of the picks don't move up spots when you win the lottery, just #1


Even so early second round picks are awesome and I'm glad the Flames finally have one (for now...)

I'm guessing he meant whoever finishes 30th and win the lottery picks 1st and 30th, so technically it's like having 2 first round picks.

[Vinny01]

Nm

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The league fined the Devils $3million, a 3rd pick in 2011 and a 1st round pick in the Devil's choice of the 2011, 2012, 2013, or 2014 drafts.

It was the penalty for signing Kovalchuk to the 1st contract of 17 years $102 million that an arbitrator ruled was cap circumvention.

Devils are widely criticized for not forfeiting the pick in 2012 when they went the cup finals and the pick would have been 29th overall.

Wow, that's some penalties and some stupidity on New Jersey's part in not forfeiting 1st round pick in 2012. I guess I shouldn't feel sorry for them. Now they don't have any choice but forfeit the 2014 draft.