Craig's List 2014 Prospects

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Buffalo traded for the isles pick, not Anaheim , not Ottawa

[Tinordi]

The Isles can't trade something they don't have. So if they trade their pick that means that they chose to keep it.

[icarus]

Interesting question, I wonder the extent to which secured interests in hockey assets are explicitly set out in the NHL procedures. On second thought, how long until the draft?

[MissTeeks]

Originally Posted by icarus

Interesting question, I wonder the extent to which secured interests in hockey assets are explicitly set out in the NHL procedures. On second thought, how long until the draft?

Still 60 days away.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

The thing I would like most of all is for the Flames to give the Islanders whatever they want for #5 (within reason), that way you could snag two of these guys.

I agree so long as our 1st pick in 2015 is not part of the deal.

[dammage79]

Doubt it would happen but if the Flames did manage to somehow acquire another top ten pick, walking out of the draft with Bennett and someone like Ehlers or Dal Colle would be a massive win.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Doubt it would happen but if the Flames did manage to somehow acquire another top ten pick, walking out of the draft with Bennett and someone like Ehlers or Dal Colle would be a massive win.

The way things are shaping up, that means acquiring either Vancouver's pick (not gonna happen), Islanders pick (not gonna happen), Carolina or Toronto's picks. That would mean getting Bennett to drop, then acquiring that pick, then having Ehlers there (because Dal Colle will be gone by 7) and then having Burke select a smaller player. That whole thing is pretty unlikely.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Doubt it would happen but if the Flames did manage to somehow acquire another top ten pick, walking out of the draft with Bennett and someone like Ehlers or Dal Colle would be a massive win.

Yes, a center AND a game breaker would be nice!

[ForeverFlameFan]

I like our draft positions. 5 picks in the top 90 is going to benefit this team moving forward.

I really hope in the 2nd/3rd round we pick up two RW's and two D's. A goalie can be picked in the 6th or 7th.

EDIT: I think Burke won't be trading for additional 1sts, or trading any of our 2nds/3rds.

[Enoch Root]

maybe not Dal Colle, but I could see acquiring Toronto's pick and maybe getting Ritchie or Fleury

[sureLoss]

Button was on 630 ched last Friday and he touched on the top 5.

• sounds like his top 4 is sort of interchangeable with Reinhart, Ekblad, Bennett, Draisaitl, and Dal Colle in 5th.
• doesn't think you can go wrong with the top 5
• Ekblad is a pillar defenceman
• calls Draisaitl a big time centerman than can make plays and makes it hard on opponents
• really does believe Dal Colle is a big time winger

NHL readiness:

• not a proponent of putting 18 year olds into the NHL, but really believes that Dal Colle can hold his own in the NHL next season (qualifies this by saying he won't be successful like MacKinnon)
• Ekblad is most capable for the NHL next year because of maturity (physically, emotionally, and mentally). With the right support, no question can Aaron play in the NHL next year
• Draisaitl can potentially play because he has size and can handle the rigors
• Bennett and Reinhart will be better in 2-3 years time after they physically mature (which can be said about all players)
• Reinhart might be able to because the cerebral part of the game is so advanced
• because Bennett mixes it up physically, he is not ready for the NHL because of the style he plays
• Button qualifies this by saying that is his opinion and Bennett may still might be able to contribute to one of the top 5 teams next year

[Stupid]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Button was on 630 ched last Friday and he touched on the top 5.

• sounds like his top 4 is sort of interchangeable with Reinhart, Ekblad, Bennett, Draisaitl, and Dal Colle in 5th.
• doesn't think you can go wrong with the top 5
• Ekblad is a pillar defenceman
• calls Draisaitl a big time centerman than can make plays and makes it hard on opponents
• really does believe Dal Colle is a big time winger

NHL readiness:

• not a proponent of putting 18 year olds into the NHL, but really believes that Dal Colle can hold his own in the NHL next season (qualifies this by saying he won't be successful like MacKinnon)
• Ekblad is most capable for the NHL next year because of maturity (physically, emotionally, and mentally). With the right support, no question can Aaron play in the NHL next year
• Draisaitl can potentially play because he has size and can handle the rigors
• Bennett and Reinhart will be better in 2-3 years time after they physically mature (which can be said about all players)
• Reinhart might be able to because the cerebral part of the game is so advanced
• because Bennett mixes it up physically, he is not ready for the NHL because of the style he plays
• Button qualifies this by saying that is his opinion and Bennett may still might be able to contribute to one of the top 5 teams next year

Very nice summary. Pieces like these that provide insight on how one of the Flames' main scouting guys feels about our drafting territory players are not always plentiful and abundant. This is one of the, if not the first one I've read apart from Burke's opinions.

[dammage79]

That kind of gives me hope that Bennett drop to Calgary. Why? Edmonton needs someone closer to NHL readiness and could very well take Draisaitl.

I don't think Buffalo skips out on Reinhart. Between he, Hodgson and Girgensons, they'd have a great balance and mixture of talented centers to work around.

In a way, the Flames don't really need their player to be ready for an extra season over the other two teams. With Backlund, Monahan and Stajan along with Knight, Reinhart and Granlund, they have plenty of kids that can earn a roster slot and can afford to send Bennett back to Juniors.

The Dal Colle thing is interesting though, if Treliving believes he is their guy and thinks he can make an impact immediately, I think he could find a way to get him a roster spot by moving one or two other LW's.

Mother of God do I want draft day to get here.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Button was on 630 ched last Friday and he touched on the top 5.

• sounds like his top 4 is sort of interchangeable with Reinhart, Ekblad, Bennett, Draisaitl, and Dal Colle in 5th.
• doesn't think you can go wrong with the top 5
• Ekblad is a pillar defenceman
• calls Draisaitl a big time centerman than can make plays and makes it hard on opponents
• really does believe Dal Colle is a big time winger

NHL readiness:

• not a proponent of putting 18 year olds into the NHL, but really believes that Dal Colle can hold his own in the NHL next season (qualifies this by saying he won't be successful like MacKinnon)
• Ekblad is most capable for the NHL next year because of maturity (physically, emotionally, and mentally). With the right support, no question can Aaron play in the NHL next year
• Draisaitl can potentially play because he has size and can handle the rigors
• Bennett and Reinhart will be better in 2-3 years time after they physically mature (which can be said about all players)
• Reinhart might be able to because the cerebral part of the game is so advanced
• because Bennett mixes it up physically, he is not ready for the NHL because of the style he plays
• Button qualifies this by saying that is his opinion and Bennett may still might be able to contribute to one of the top 5 teams next year

Just to be clear, which Button said these things? I assume it was Craig.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by dammage79

That kind of gives me hope that Bennett drop to Calgary. Why? Edmonton needs someone closer to NHL readiness and could very well take Draisaitl.

I don't think Buffalo skips out on Reinhart. Between he, Hodgson and Girgensons, they'd have a great balance and mixture of talented centers to work around.

In a way, the Flames don't really need their player to be ready for an extra season over the other two teams. With Backlund, Monahan and Stajan along with Knight, Reinhart and Granlund, they have plenty of kids that can earn a roster slot and can afford to send Bennett back to Juniors.

The Dal Colle thing is interesting though, if Treliving believes he is their guy and thinks he can make an impact immediately, I think he could find a way to get him a roster spot by moving one or two other LW's.

Mother of God do I want draft day to get here.

I suspect the pressure is on for the Oilers to win NOW after all the big talk over the last few years. I really expect them to trade their pick.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Stupid

Very nice summary. Pieces like these that provide insight on how one of the Flames' main scouting guys feels about our drafting territory players are not always plentiful and abundant. This is one of the, if not the first one I've read apart from Burke's opinions.

Originally Posted by Rick M.

Just to be clear, which Button said these things? I assume it was Craig.

Yes my bad. That was Craig Button.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

I suspect the pressure is on for the Oilers to win NOW after all the big talk over the last few years. I really expect them to trade their pick.

I don't. I could see them leverage their 2015 first round draft pick in a deal, but not the '14. They need centre depth, and they're primed to pick a pretty good one.

[AltaGuy]

I think that with Treliving hire we will definitely take Draisaitl if both Sams have been taken.

In some ways, this could be a very good outcome. It means that the Oilers will have taken one of the Sams, who are both excellent players, but neither of whom get their top six any closer to being able to play a possession game against the large WC. The Oilers top six is built to score off the rush, and that doesn't win you hockey games in the WC.

Phoenix was and is the opposite of the Oilers in many ways - big bodies who can play a possession game but lack high end skill. LA has both - high end skill and very big bodies. Draisaitl fits that mold better than either Sam in my opinion.

Of course, if it's true that Draisaitl is coveted by the Oilers, and a Sam does fall to us, we take him and run.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

I think that with Treliving hire we will definitely take Draisaitl if both Sams have been taken.

In some ways, this could be a very good outcome. It means that the Oilers will have taken one of the Sams, who are both excellent players, but neither of whom get their top six any closer to being able to play a possession game against the large WC. The Oilers top six is built to score off the rush, and that doesn't win you hockey games in the WC.

Phoenix was and is the opposite of the Oilers in many ways - big bodies who can play a possession game but lack high end skill. LA has both - high end skill and very big bodies. Draisaitl fits that mold better than either Sam in my opinion.

Of course, if it's true that Draisaitl is coveted by the Oilers, and a Sam does fall to us, we take him and run.

I wouldn't be opposed to taking Draisaitl either... In fact, I wonder if we let the Isles trade us a draft pick or a decent prospect just to move up a spot in the draft to ensure that they get Dal Colle so that we don't, since their center depth is already good enough. If they pick Draisaitl before us, we'll still pick Dal Colle...

We won't trade our pick if one of the Sams are available though.

[Zevo]

I don't think Dal Colle is in the Flames plans. After reading quotes like these from Treliving,

[QUOTE"I firmly believe you build your teams from the back out, it starts in goal but it's built on the blueline," Treliving said. "Then, it's built up through the centre of the ice.
"If you look at the teams that are playing now, there's no team that's weak on the blueline and weak up the centre of the ice. Those are critical positions and they'll be treated as such here."][/QUOTE]

I think they pick which ever centre falls to them. If they were picking 5th, I'm sure they would pick Dal Colle if they thought he was BPA and the three top centres were gone.