Should Treliving Be Fired?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Easy for me to say that I would have made a move during the season when it was clear that none of the 3 were capable of the #1 job. In reality though, that decision is what a GM is paid to evaluate and paid to do. He made his evaluation, made his decision, and it turned out terribly.

Which is why i don't think the coach should bear the responsibility on the decision.

Who would you have acquired?

Tell me, name a couple guys who were available.

[AC]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

At the deadline he got good value for Russel, Jones and Hudler, but also saddled the Flames with Backstrom as well.

Huh? You know Backstrom isn't signed for next year, right?

We got an asset back for Jones and took on Backstrom for a month so Minnesota could fit Jones' contract.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Kay, this sentiment that Treliving didn't give him NHL average goaltending is dumb, wrong, and dumb.

Last year's goaltending was statistically average, and the Flames made the second round!

Seeing this, Treliving kept what got him to the playoffs. This goaltending fell off a cliff this past year, but there was a very poor goalie market and Treliving was unable to make a move.

I'd have kept Ramo, Hiller, and Ortio after 14-15. I think a lot of people would have. They were good for us in that season.

Yes, you are right. Goaltending fell off a cliff. It's up to the GM to make evaluations and make changes.

It was also stated on the CBC HNIC hotstove that the goalie market is pending Calgary to make it's move. There were options out there, Treliving made the decision not to make any moves.

If were evaluating Hartley on the decisions he made, then Treliving is in the same boat and he failed on the undisputed #1 issue the Flames had this year.

[northcrunk]

Paging 'thispostisterrible'

[AcGold]

Stealing Dougie earned him 2 years, it was a genius move that is still baffling.

[Strange Brew]

"Saddled with Backstrom"? I think the Flames can overcome that.

I am not as big a fan of Treliving of many on here but even a cynic like me can see the good things he has done and the effort he has put in. I think he has made some small/medium mistakes and as he appears to be an extremely sharp guy, I bet he learns from them. He deserves much more time to build a contender.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Who would you have acquired?

Tell me, name a couple guys who were available.

Reimer is who I would have gone after and tried out on a low risk move.

Ward had an expiring contract

[Barbecue]

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Yes, you are right. Goaltending fell off a cliff. It's up to the GM to make evaluations and make changes.

It was also stated on the CBC HNIC hotstove that the goalie market is pending Calgary to make it's move. There were options out there, Treliving made the decision not to make any moves.

If were evaluating Hartley on the decisions he made, then Treliving is in the same boat and he failed on the undisputed #1 issue the Flames had this year.

Like who? I'm still waiting for a response.

There were no viable improvements out there!

Edit: just saw your post.

Reimer's one guy, fine, but he's a UFA, and by the time he became available, the Flames' season was all but done.

Cam Ward is not a viable improvement.

[Gord Wappel]

I don't know why everyone is jumping on this "terrible Thread" like a bunch of pirañas that smell blood.
Its a fair question.
I was going to start a thread that Burke should get fired. Whats he done. He should get fired in Calgary for just what he did in Toronto. And add in the bingo ball failure. Plus he probably told Treliving that someone had to get fired - GM or coach take your pick. Now that would be a terrible thread!

Treliving deserves some heat.

[wingmaker]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Yes, you are right. Goaltending fell off a cliff. It's up to the GM to make evaluations and make changes.

It was also stated on the CBC HNIC hotstove that the goalie market is pending Calgary to make it's move. There were options out there, Treliving made the decision not to make any moves.

If were evaluating Hartley on the decisions he made, then Treliving is in the same boat and he failed on the undisputed #1 issue the Flames had this year.

You are assuming that there was a good deal to be made for a goaltender. I have no doubt Treliving could have added a goaltender before the deadline, but at what cost? If he didn't see a deal to be made that he thought was worth the cost of acquisition, shouldn't that be a positive that he didn't make a move?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Good lord no. Probably the best GM we've had in my 20 years of watching

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Gord Wappel

I don't know why everyone is jumping on this "terrible Thread" like a bunch of pirañas that smell blood.
Its a fair question.
I was going to start a thread that Burke should get fired. Whats he done. He should get fired in Calgary for just what he did in Toronto. And add in the bingo ball failure. Plus he probably told Treliving that someone had to get fired - GM or coach take your pick. Now that would be a terrible thread!

Treliving, on other hand, deserves some heat.

Haha, what!?

This might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site. The bingo ball failure?

[DiracSpike]

How anyone can have beef with Treliving is beyond me. There's very few headcoaches in the league that are more valuable than even a competent GM

[nik-]

holy ####

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by AC

Huh? You know Backstrom isn't signed for next year, right?

We got an asset back for Jones and took on Backstrom for a month so Minnesota could fit Jones' contract.

Let me expand on this.

When I say "saddled with Backstrom" it's the acquisition where we promised a 38 year old goalie who hadn't played in 14 months with starts down the stretch. I dont have a problem with that because the expectation is that the goalie will be rusty and probably lose more than they will win. I think Backstrom outperformed (or actually, Montreal out-tanked us in the his first game).

So I think the acquisition of Backstrom was designed to help get us a pick and help get us better odds in the draft lottery.

Which is why I think it's BS that the coach is held accountable for the team's performance when the GM is making moves that he knows aren't likely to help the team win.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by wingmaker

You are assuming that there was a good deal to be made for a goaltender. I have no doubt Treliving could have added a goaltender before the deadline, but at what cost? If he didn't see a deal to be made that he thought was worth the cost of acquisition, shouldn't that be a positive that he didn't make a move?

Sure, maybe he should be evaluated that the decision not to make a move was positive.

Then why fire the coach for not getting better results with the options the coach was left with?

[goodyear]

I think a GMs' term should include a coach he hired. If we're still talking about the lottery next year, then BT is fair game.

I want him to sign some quality FAs and manage some of the bad contracts this off-season. He's done great at the draft and has gotten good returns on his trades.

If anyone should be fired, it should be Ken King. #PresidentNext

[SOMBRI2]

I had better things to read...

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[Dan403]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

No, not its not.

Does Hartley get fired today if Treliving gave him statistically average NHL goaltending this year?

No, he doesn't.

Yes. It really is the Dumbest Thread. Totally Clueless.