2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Insufficient Funds

I really don't see Alzner getting to free agency. They've been nothing but happy with him for the majority of his career there. I think they'll have to make some tough decisions amongst their forward ranks.

He might want to see if anybody throws him crazy money in free agency. His old GM has pretty much unlimited cap space to work with.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I wonder if Alzner is a pipe dream? I mean, is there a better Dman available as a UFA? (arguably shattenkirk but completely different type of player)

Alzner is going to be 29, on pace for a career year and going to want to get paid and perhaps his last contract.

And keep in mind it's silly season so he is gonna get PAID!

I can't see the Flames bringing him on without making some tough choices.

Last year contracts were starting to get into the reasonable category. The players have taken a beating in escrow because of their UFA contracts and guys like Russell were not cashing in.

Also, the Flames have never had an issue with signing F.As. Calgary is a nice city close to the Rockies in a Trump-free country and has relatively cheaper tax rates. It's also not ghetto like Detroit or Jersey.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Last year contracts were starting to get into the reasonable category. The players have taken a beating in escrow because of their UFA contracts and guys like Russell were not cashing in.

Also, the Flames have never had an issue with signing F.As. Calgary is a nice city close to the Rockies in a Trump-free country and has relatively cheaper tax rates. It's also not ghetto like Detroit or Jersey.

Canadian Tax rates are lower than in the US? I always thought it was the other way around. Strange..

As for how nice the City is... Sure NJ and Det arent the the nicest... You can likely group Winnipeg and Edmonton in there... But There are a lot of nice cities in the NHL.

Sure the Flames have a history of going after UFA's, but they have some pretty big holes to fill and to commit $5m+ to Alzner over at least 5 years.. Its a bit of a hope, not a plan..

With that said, lets get back to the city Angle that you brought up.

Lets say Dallas, LA, Philly, Carolina, Van and Calgary all offer Alzner $5.5m over 6 years. You think the Flames have the edge in winning the bid?

There is the Hitmen connection, but I dont know.. He is from Burnaby..

[sureLoss]

^ He is from Burnaby, but his wife is from Calgary and he lives and trains in Calgary in the offseason.

Putting aside playoff contender status and given similar money, he would probably be okay with playing in Calgary.

It is kind of the Cory Sarich situation all over again.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

^ He is from Burnaby, but his wife is from Calgary and he lives and trains in Calgary in the offseason.

Putting aside playoff contender status and given similar money, he would probably be okay with playing in Calgary.

It is kind of the Cory Sarich situation all over again.

Interesting. I didnt know that about his wife and training.

And don't anyone get me wrong here ... I'm not saying I wouldnt want him here..

That would most certainly mean the end of Engelland as a Flame then.

Any rumblings on Engelland being available at the deadline?

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Interesting. I didnt know that about his wife and training.

And don't anyone get me wrong here ... I'm not saying I wouldnt want him here..

That would most certainly mean the end of Engelland as a Flame then.

Any rumblings on Engelland being available at the deadline?

I don't know how that excludes Engelland from being brought back since he's still an incredibly dependable bottom pairing guy. Just hopefully he'll be willing to sign for much less than before to make it reasonable.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Canadian Tax rates are lower than in the US? I always thought it was the other way around. Strange..

As for how nice the City is... Sure NJ and Det arent the the nicest... You can likely group Winnipeg and Edmonton in there... But There are a lot of nice cities in the NHL.

Sure the Flames have a history of going after UFA's, but they have some pretty big holes to fill and to commit $5m+ to Alzner over at least 5 years.. Its a bit of a hope, not a plan..

With that said, lets get back to the city Angle that you brought up.

Lets say Dallas, LA, Philly, Carolina, Van and Calgary all offer Alzner $5.5m over 6 years. You think the Flames have the edge in winning the bid?

There is the Hitmen connection, but I dont know.. He is from Burnaby..

Ok, maybe you don't get around, but there is no way you group Detroit and Jersey with Edmonton or Winnipeg. I know the fun thing to do around here is trash on Edmonton, but relative to alot of American cities, Edmonton is very nice. There are no ghettos there. There might be older neighborhoods, but I would feel comfortable walking down 118th Ave on a late night, but hell no would I be caught walking around 90% of Detroit or Jersey. Likewise, Winnipeg might be lame for night life and whatnot, but it's not scary.

Other than maybe a few areas in Toronto, nothing is really par with some of the ghettos of the US. We don't really have Mexicans beheading the Crips in the street like they do in South LA. Nothing in Canada is remotely that violent. We don't have nearly the murder numbers any major US city has.

The downfall of Canadian cities is that it's cold.

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Likewise, Winnipeg might be lame for night life and whatnot, but it's not scary.

Only someone who has not spent a reasonable amount of time in Winnipeg would say Winnipeg is not scary. I went to school in Michigan and spent time in Detroit, i can honestly say I was way more comfortable walking around there at night then the 2 months i spent in Winnipeg LOL.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Ok, maybe you don't get around, but there is no way you group Detroit and Jersey with Edmonton or Winnipeg. I know the fun thing to do around here is trash on Edmonton, but relative to alot of American cities, Edmonton is very nice. There are no ghettos there. There might be older neighborhoods, but I would feel comfortable walking down 118th Ave on a late night, but hell no would I be caught walking around 90% of Detroit or Jersey. Likewise, Winnipeg might be lame for night life and whatnot, but it's not scary.

Other than maybe a few areas in Toronto, nothing is really par with some of the ghettos of the US. We don't really have Mexicans beheading the Crips in the street like they do in South LA. Nothing in Canada is remotely that violent. We don't have nearly the murder numbers any major US city has.

The downfall of Canadian cities is that it's cold.

Well let's see.. Calgary for 30 years, Edmonton for 2, Toronto for 1, Halifax for 1,

Tokyo, Balboa Panama, San Diego, La, San Fran, Seattle, Boston, New York, Vancouver, playa del carmen, puerto Vallarta, Manzanilla, Las Vegas, Santiago Chille, Sidney, Perth, London, Amsterdam, Berlin, Madeira Spain, Island of Crete,
And more..

1 tour in Afghanistan, Security force driver for diplomats in Iraq, post earthquake assistance in Haiti and Tokyo, and replenishment stops in Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Djibouti (the armpit of the world)..

So yeah, I've been around... circumvented the world 1.5 times, crossed the international date line 4 times and crossed the equator 7..

You have no idea what a Ghetto even is.. if you haven't been to Fallujah, Iraq or anywhere in Afghanistan.

point is.. Calgary isn't the nicest city in the NHL.

Edit: can we cut it out with the pissing contests? They are getting old..

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Well let's see.. Calgary for 30 years, Edmonton for 2, Toronto for 1, Halifax for 1,

Tokyo, Balboa Panama, San Diego, La, San Fran, Seattle, Boston, New York, Vancouver, playa del carmen, puerto Vallarta, Manzanilla, Las Vegas, Santiago Chille, Sidney, Perth, London, Amsterdam, Berlin, Madeira Spain, Island of Crete,
And more..

1 tour in Afghanistan, Security force driver for diplomats in Iraq, post earthquake assistance in Haiti and Tokyo, and replenishment stops in Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Djibouti (the armpit of the world)..

So yeah, I've been around... circumvented the world 1.5 times, crossed the international date line 4 times and crossed the equator 7..

You have no idea what a Ghetto even is.. if you haven't been to Fallujah, Iraq or anywhere in Afghanistan.

point is.. Calgary isn't the nicest city in the NHL.

Edit: can we cut it out with the pissing contests? They are getting old..

And that's your opinion. Not fact.

[icecube]

The rich suburbs of Detroit and New Jersey are some of the nicest and most affluent areas in North America. I doubt millionaire hockey players are going to spending any time whatsoever in the ghettos.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by memphusk

And that's your opinion. Not fact.

Lol... what part is my opinion and not fact exactly?..

Anyway...

I asked Sureloss about Engelland for the simple reason that even though the Flames are going to have that $5mil they are paying Wideman available,
Is the plan goin forward for him to continue being the guy paired with the rookie?

If that be the case and you pick up another top 4 D to play with Brodie, do the Flames intend on rolling with Kulak and Jokipakka as the 6/7 with Engelland as #5?

With Wotherspoon and Kylington looking to be mainstays on an NHL club, are they going to get impatient if the Flames re-sign Engelland and bring in a long term #4 Dman?

And then that somewhat handcuffs bringing in another top 6 guy as there are only so many shekels to go around.

[PepsiFree]

It's almost like what constitutes a nice, liveable city is almost entirely subjective and would vary just as much from player to player as it does fan to fan.

The would/would not want to go to a place based on the city alone (other things being equal) is a fruitless argument to have.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Ok, maybe you don't get around, but there is no way you group Detroit and Jersey with Edmonton or Winnipeg. I know the fun thing to do around here is trash on Edmonton, but relative to alot of American cities, Edmonton is very nice. There are no ghettos there. There might be older neighborhoods, but I would feel comfortable walking down 118th Ave on a late night, but hell no would I be caught walking around 90% of Detroit or Jersey. Likewise, Winnipeg might be lame for night life and whatnot, but it's not scary.

Other than maybe a few areas in Toronto, nothing is really par with some of the ghettos of the US. We don't really have Mexicans beheading the Crips in the street like they do in South LA. Nothing in Canada is remotely that violent. We don't have nearly the murder numbers any major US city has.

The downfall of Canadian cities is that it's cold.

re: bolded part
Are you exaggerating for effect? I assume you haven't visited 90% of these cities because that is just ridiculous.

[sureLoss]

Assuming the following:
1. The salary cap stays the same like Friedman is reporting
2. No bonus overages next season (which is unlikely, because it looks like Tkachuk will earn a Schedule A bonus or two)
3. Flames don't move out anyone that is signed for next season or bring in anyone on contract for next season
4. The Flames will go with a 14f, 7d, 2g roster for most of next season

The Flames will only have $22.4 million to fill 4 d-men, 5 forwards, and 2 goalie spots.

RFAs: Bennett, Ferland, Chiasson, Hathaway, Jokipakka, Kulak
UFAs: Elliott, Johnson, Wideman, Engelland, Versteeg

So yeah if you bring Alzner in, the Flames will probably have about $15 to $17 million for 3 d-men, 5 forwards and 2 goalies.

[sureLoss]

There haven't been any rumors on Engelland being available, but I believe a month ago it was stated in a Francis article that the Flames and Engelland haven't had any contract discussions.

[northcrunk]

I don't see Engelland staying with the expansion draft. He is a Vegas born guy who probably would love to get a chance to play in his home town. As much as I would love to keep him I don't think it's going to happen. I can't see the flames protecting him either.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It's almost like what constitutes a nice, liveable city is almost entirely subjective and would vary just as much from player to player as it does fan to fan.

The would/would not want to go to a place based on the city alone (other things being equal) is a fruitless argument to have.

with some objectiveness from another (Sureloss) knowing what I do now about Alzner and his familial connection to YYC, I understand now why he would perhaps chose Calgary over lets say, L.A. maybe..
For the argument of choosing Calgary over any other city however, I think we can all agree that Calgary is objectively nicer than Edmonton (Weather, layout/commute and more vibrant, maybe). But Alzner could be swayed to go to Edmonton as its close to Calgary and they are certainly the talk of the hockey world right now, more specifically a certain player is...
So, failing to get Alzner.. what do the Flames do? There is a premium being placed on Stone from ARZ..

I was starting to wonder about Eric Johnson (or a player of that ilk)from the Avs.. is there a deal there to be had?

I think the Flames need to look for a trade, not bank on a UFA signing that every other team will be looking for.

Edit: and I wanted to reach through my TV and punch Button in the head today as he is pushing the Sam Bennett for Matt Duchene narrative..

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

I don't see Engelland staying with the expansion draft. He is a Vegas born guy who probably would love to get a chance to play in his home town. As much as I would love to keep him I don't think it's going to happen. I can't see the flames protecting him either.

He's also quietly having a nice season so while he may not make the same money as his current deal is paying I'm not sure he's going to make considerably less than his current contract is paying him.

[Since1984]

Now that we know Igitang is the inspiration for "Sweet Dreams" by The Eurythmics...

Let's get back to the fact that Karl Alzner would most certainly be interested in coming to Calgary if he is not extended in Washington first. Also many players would rather play in a hockey market such as Calgary over say LA or Tampa. As per Rumors on Trades...I got nothing!