2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

I don't know about the other moves but being a big Kaberle fan I watched him play on that run and the Bruins won despite of him.

Vermette was a healthy scratch during the Hawks playoff run a couple of times as well I think.

Obviously the GMs still probably didn't regret making those trades.

You can compare that to Pittsburgh who used a 1st to pick up Kessel in the offseason. He was a big part of their last Cup and is a leading scorer in these playoffs as well. That is exceptional value for a first rounder and some other spare parts.

The Pittsburgh example shows you can get much better value for a 1st rounder coming up to the draft, but that trade isn't always there for a GM. So much timing, and luck plays into things.

Kessel was coming off a poor season before the trade and verbal surrounding him was awful. Rutherford was assuming some risk. In hindsight it looks like a no brainer, but if we dug up the thread on the trade, we might see a lot of negative opinions on Kessel and his ability to be a winner.

A more conventional GM might have stayed away from Kessel and picked up a defenseman instead because "winners are built up the middle".

I guess the point of this rambling post is that GMs should avoid dogmatically following any rules of thumb and evaluate each situation on its own merit, and be willing to make a risky move if a GM believes it will add value to the team. Even trading good assets at the deadline for a rental.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Vermette was a healthy scratch during the Hawks playoff run a couple of times as well I think.

Obviously the GMs still probably didn't regret making those trades.

You can compare that to Pittsburgh who used a 1st to pick up Kessel in the offseason. He was a big part of their last Cup and is a leading scorer in these playoffs as well. That is exceptional value for a first rounder and some other spare parts.

The Pittsburgh example shows you can get much better value for a 1st rounder coming up to the trade, but that trade isn't always there for a GM. So much timing, and luck plays into things.

Kessel was coming off a poor season before the trade and verbal surrounding him was awful. Rutherford was assuming some risk. In hindsight it looks like a no brainer, but if we dug up the thread on the trade, we might see a lot of negative opinions on Kessel and his ability to be a winner.

I guess the point of this rambling post is that GMs should avoid dogmatically following any rules of thumb and evaluate each situation on its own merit, and be willing to make a risky move if a GM believes it will add value to the team. Even trading good assets at the deadline for a rental.

Most Flames fans in particular were a hard pass on Kessel when the trade rumors started. Like not even "he may be too expensive to acquire" just straight up "he's a not a player you win with, avoid at all costs".

Imagine what our top line would like now with Gaudreau - Monahan - Kessel?

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Most Flames fans in particular were a hard pass on Kessel when the trade rumors started. Like not even "he may be too expensive to acquire" just straight up "he's a not a player you win with, avoid at all costs".

Imagine what our top line would like now with Gaudreau - Monahan - Kessel?

I just went back and read that trade thread. Even Rutherford's former boss Peter Karamos was throwing shade at him:

“Pittsburgh has no first-round picks anymore,” Karmanos said. “They traded their first round pick from the year before. They traded their first-round pick this year, and they traded their first-round pick for next year. But they do have Kessel, who may score as many goals as Alex Semin did. All right? And I don't have to take credit for that.”

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by David Struch

To Flames: Kari Lehtonen + 3rd overall

To Stars: Mark Giordano

Owen Tippett is the answer to Calgary's top line RW woes.

What do you have against Flames playoff hockey? What did Flames playoff hockey ever do to you?

[sureLoss]

Countdown to Sakic being gone (or if they follow the Oilers model promoted?). Friedman reports the Avs have received permission to talk to Leafs Assistant GM Kyle Dubas.

[Roof-Daddy]

The wonder kid

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Countdown to Sakic being gone (or if they follow the Oilers model promoted?). Friedman reports the Avs have received permission to talk to Leafs Assistant GM Kyle Dubas.

I hope this doesn't happen. I always thought he was was being groomed to take over for Lou. Doesn't make any sense why the Leafs would let him go.

[Toonage]

Makes sense that Colorado would be looking. Gut the coaching staff then fire the current gm and let the new gm choose a coach unless he wants to hang on to Bednar.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Avs have some really awesome pieces, but that team is about as dysfunctional as any team I can ever remember. Whomever takes that team over is going to have his hands full.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Avs have some really awesome pieces, but that team is about as dysfunctional as any team I can ever remember. Whomever takes that team over is going to have his hands full.

They really don't. They have a small handful of good players but the rest of the roster isn't very good at all. The organization is kind of a mess from management, coaching down to the roster and their prospects.

[Ozy_Flame]

Although I dislike das Vunderkind with a passion, put him in charge and see what happens. Not like they can get any worse in the standings.

Maybe hire Chayka while they're at it too, get all the 20 somethings in a room and play with calculators.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

They really don't. They have a small handful of good players but the rest of the roster isn't very good at all. The organization is kind of a mess from management, coaching down to the roster and their prospects.

I dunno,

MacKinnon, Landeskog, Duchene, Rantannan, Grigerenko, Barrie, Johnson, Zadorov, Soderberg, Varlamov, Pickard, and some solid Vets that were top notch until they got to the gong show that is the Avs such as Tyutin and Beauchemin.
Some solid bottom 6 guys, such as Nieto, Mitchell...

They also have a few nice prospects still, Compher and Siemens.

The problem with that team is the management and coaching. Not the players imo.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

The Avs are a strangely constructed team. Some nice pieces in MacKinnon, Duchene and Rantannan, but then gawd-awful replacement parts filling out the lineup. Flames cast-offs when we were terrible is not a good sign.

[bax]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I dunno,



MacKinnon, Landeskog, Duchene, Rantannan, Grigerenko, Barrie, Johnson, Zadorov, Soderberg, Varlamov, Pickard, and some solid Vets that were top notch until they got to the gong show that is the Avs such as Tyutin and Beauchemin.

Some solid bottom 6 guys, such as Nieto, Mitchell...



They also have a few nice prospects still, Compher and Siemens.



The problem with that team is the management and coaching. Not the players imo.

Mackinnon, Landeskog, Duchene, and Rantanan are some nice young pieces that will either be part of the future or bring back some value in a trade, but everybody else you mentioned are nothing special.

Barrie is good offensively, but a mess in his own zone. Grigorenko and zadorov are barely NHL players. I actually don't mind Johnson, but he's basically all they have on the backend.

And in what world is Siemens a nice prospect? Drafted 6 years ago in the first round and has been trending downwards ever since. I think he has maybe 4 NHL games to his name and a whole lot of nothing else down in the AHL.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Vermette was a healthy scratch during the Hawks playoff run a couple of times as well I think.

Obviously the GMs still probably didn't regret making those trades.

You can compare that to Pittsburgh who used a 1st to pick up Kessel in the offseason. He was a big part of their last Cup and is a leading scorer in these playoffs as well. That is exceptional value for a first rounder and some other spare parts.

The Pittsburgh example shows you can get much better value for a 1st rounder coming up to the draft, but that trade isn't always there for a GM. So much timing, and luck plays into things.

Kessel was coming off a poor season before the trade and verbal surrounding him was awful. Rutherford was assuming some risk. In hindsight it looks like a no brainer, but if we dug up the thread on the trade, we might see a lot of negative opinions on Kessel and his ability to be a winner.

A more conventional GM might have stayed away from Kessel and picked up a defenseman instead because "winners are built up the middle".

I guess the point of this rambling post is that GMs should avoid dogmatically following any rules of thumb and evaluate each situation on its own merit, and be willing to make a risky move if a GM believes it will add value to the team. Even trading good assets at the deadline for a rental.

Originally Posted by jayswin

Most Flames fans in particular were a hard pass on Kessel when the trade rumors started. Like not even "he may be too expensive to acquire" just straight up "he's a not a player you win with, avoid at all costs".

Imagine what our top line would like now with Gaudreau - Monahan - Kessel?

In Toronto, Phil Kessel was expected to be the go to guy, they were trying to build around him. In Pittsburgh, the Pens already had center ice taken care of, and they already had their go to guys in Crosby and Malkin. Their team is built around those two. Kessel is just a deadly scorer and Pittsburgh is setup for a guy like him to succeed. He doesn't have to carry the team on his back he just has to compliment the guys who do.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by bax

Grigorenko and zadorov are barely NHL players.

Lol at lumping those two in together. Clearly shows how little you know about the team to refer to Zadorov as barely an NHL player. He's a fine second pairing defender, probably a third on most teams in the league already.

[sureLoss]

WGR 550 @WGR550
LeBrun- "McPhee in fact the calls really started to heat up last weekend according to my sources. He's going to do a number of side deals."

WGR 550 @WGR550
LeBrun- "I think the period from June 15th to July 2nd could be the busiest in the 100 year history of the National Hockey League."

[Toonage]

This is going to be very exciting and a lot of fun from a fan standpoint. July 1st free agent frenzy may just be a 7 hour recap show of everything that happened prior.

[Volica]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Most Flames fans in particular were a hard pass on Kessel when the trade rumors started. Like not even "he may be too expensive to acquire" just straight up "he's a not a player you win with, avoid at all costs".

Imagine what our top line would like now with Gaudreau - Monahan - Kessel?

I feel that that deal would have been a dumpster fire for Calgary. Last year the team still would have struggled to keep pucks out of their net; independent of how many goals Phil was scoring. It would have ended up:

The deal was:
Kasperi Kapanen, Scott Harrington, Nick Spaling, and conditional first-and third-round draft picks for Kessel, a conditional 2nd and some junk.

Kapanen and Harrington were viewed as Pittsburgh's 2nd a 3rd best prospects respectively (from outside sources, clearly Pittsburgh was more than comfortable to let them go heh).

This would have been a Calgary equivalent trade of:

Phil 'The Thrill' Kessel, Junk for:
2016 first (Tkachuk), Emile Poirier, Marcus Granlund, Lance Bouma

I mean, that's going with the direct comparison, as clearly things would have changed, but I'm not sure we'd be much better off TBH.

[Yoho]

I know not reliable at all but speculation.
#BREAKING - Hearing S. Bennett has requested a trade from Calgary.

https://twitter.com/rumorbreak/statu...99344764821506