2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[CliffFletcher]

Trades don't have to be about exchanging your garbage for another team's gold. They can be about exchanging an excellent player for another player who is excellent but brings something different to the table.

Some of the best trades in Flames history involved giving up very good players (Steve Konroyd, Dan Quinn, Mike Bullard).

[TheFlamesVan]

I find it funny with your username sharing 'some of the best trades in Flames history'. But you're right.

[ComixZone]

Good ol Flames fans. What we have is worthless, meanwhile other team's question marks are worth the world.

Holy inferiority complex, Hockey Gods.

[MarkGio]

I think Eberle is an interesting target, given that I've seen many Oilers fans put him on the trade block. I know people will criticize his performance, but let's not forget that Cogliano, Schultz, Gagner, Dubnyk and Petry performed admirably after parting from the Oilers.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Eberle
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Bennett - Lazar

That's a much better balance of righties and lefties in the top 9. It certainly helps a team's offense to have capable right handed shooters because it keeps goalies honest. If all you have is left handed shots on their off wing, goalies don't hug their left post as often.

[FlamesAddiction]

Count me as one that doesn't feel that JG is untouchable, but it would take a sweet deal to make it happen. It would have to be a 100% hockey deal (so a 1 for 1, or Flames adding to get a bonafide upgrade). The list of player that I think would be acceptable, and realistically available, would be pretty small though.

I won't venture in to what it would take because it is so hard to objectively look at those things. But as others mentioned, if you get a signed Tavares, I think you do that without pause.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

talk about trading Gaudreau when his value is at his absolute lowest.

61 points in 72 games played and if that's when his value is the lowest then the bar is very high here as take away the stats on a shift to shift basis he's also one of the most entertaining players in the league.

[FanIn80]

I love Gaudreau, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned about his size in the playoffs. That's the only reason I'm looking at potential trade deals for him.

It's not just about his size, either. I wouldn't mind his size so much if we had skilled players that could physically make sure he had enough room out there when the games get rough (ie. playoffs). Someone like Simmonds would increase Gaudreau's level of play almost overnight, but how can we add someone like that? I don't think we have the assets to add someone like Simmonds to our roster without impacting our second line.

So, if we can't get someone like Simmonds who can protect Gaudreau while also being able to play with Gaudreau, then maybe the answer is to move Gaudreau for someone that doesn't need to be protected.

Once you come to that conclusion, there's a whole bunch of possible outcomes. Some of which might even solve some other areas in addition. Like, Gaudreau + ? for Simmonds and Gudas for example.


Edit: My point in a nutshell:
- Regardless of how awesome he is, Gaudreau will always be 6 inches shorter and 30 pounds lighter than whomever is checking him, and in the playoffs, when games are rougher, that's a serious thing
- Adding someone skilled enough to play with Gaudreau and mean/big enough to protect Gaudreau will cost a considerable amount
- Resulting choice: Keep Gaudreau, add someone skilled that can protect him and pay whatever that costs, or trade Gaudreau for someone that doesn't need protecting and potentially plug another hole in the process

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I think Eberle is an interesting target, given that I've seen many Oilers fans put him on the trade block. I know people will criticize his performance, but let's not forget that Cogliano, Schultz, Gagner, Dubnyk and Petry performed admirably after parting from the Oilers.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Eberle
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Bennett - Lazar

That's a much better balance of righties and lefties in the top 9. It certainly helps a team's offense to have capable right handed shooters because it keeps goalies honest. If all you have is left handed shots on their off wing, goalies don't hug their left post as often.

Just say No to Eberle. We have been down this road before. Overpaid, soft, and trending down. Do not want.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Some of the best trades in Flames history involved giving up very good players (Steve Konroyd, Dan Quinn, Mike Bullard).

Joe Nieuwendyk

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Gaudreau - Monahan - Eberle
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Bennett - Lazar

That top line is soft as butter.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Joe Nieuwendyk


That top line is soft as butter.

That's what Edmonton said, then they went and go Lucic. So far not the worst investment the Coilers have made. But this is only year one.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I think Eberle is an interesting target, given that I've seen many Oilers fans put him on the trade block. I know people will criticize his performance, but let's not forget that Cogliano, Schultz, Gagner, Dubnyk and Petry performed admirably after parting from the Oilers.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Eberle
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Bennett - Lazar

That's a much better balance of righties and lefties in the top 9. It certainly helps a team's offense to have capable right handed shooters because it keeps goalies honest. If all you have is left handed shots on their off wing, goalies don't hug their left post as often.

Eberle's value is in the gutter but the Oilers wouldn't trade him to the Flames in my opinion as other teams will likely offer similar packages. Eberle for Brouwer could work but I can see that trade blowing up in the Flames face by giving the Oilers more size and making the Flames smaller albeit more skilled.

I think the only way Eberle comes to Calgary would be via Vegas. Vegas selects Eberle who would then be dealt to Calgary. Even then I don't see it. While this team needs a RW I prefer it be someone with size and edge that would better compliment Gaudreau-Monahan. Simmonds being the dream RW

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I love Gaudreau, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned about his size in the playoffs. That's the only reason I'm looking at potential trade deals for him.

It's not just about his size, either. I wouldn't mind his size so much if we had skilled players that could physically make sure he had enough room out there when the games get rough (ie. playoffs). Someone like Simmonds would increase Gaudreau's level of play almost overnight, but how can we add someone like that? I don't think we have the assets to add someone like Simmonds to our roster without impacting our second line.

So, if we can't get someone like Simmonds who can protect Gaudreau while also being able to play with Gaudreau, then maybe the answer is to move Gaudreau for someone that doesn't need to be protected.

Once you come to that conclusion, there's a whole bunch of possible outcomes. Some of which might even solve some other areas in addition. Like, Gaudreau + ? for Simmonds and Gudas for example.


Edit: My point in a nutshell:
- Regardless of how awesome he is, Gaudreau will always be 6 inches shorter and 30 pounds lighter than whomever is checking him, and in the playoffs, when games are rougher, that's a serious thing
- Adding someone skilled enough to play with Gaudreau and mean/big enough to protect Gaudreau will cost a considerable amount
- Resulting choice: Keep Gaudreau, add someone skilled that can protect him and pay whatever that costs, or trade Gaudreau for someone that doesn't need protecting and potentially plug another hole in the process

I understand wanting Simmonds, although I don't like the idea of exchanging a 23 year old for a 28 year old.
I don't get the desire for Gudas though. The guy is a bit of a cheap shot artist, and isn't much more than a 5-6 guy.

[Roof-Daddy]

Man, I get wanting to get bigger and tougher....and I like Simmonds, but if the Flames traded Gaudreau for a 28 year old Simmonds and a 26 year old #4/5 Dman I might just have to cash in my chips.

It's not like Simmonds is on a sweetheart deal either. The next 2 seasons would be fine, but then he's 30, a pending UFA and looking for a big raise and term to take to his mid-late 30's and well past his prime.

[FanIn80]

- We need to get bigger/meaner up front.
- We need a #4 D.
- 28 isn't old.
- Neither is 26.

It was just something off the top of my head. The original question a couple pages back was, "what are some potential deals out there?" So who would you guys look for in a return?

Edit: Admittedly, I didn't look at the contract side of things. I was just looking at the player(s). After taking contracts into consideration, no way would I make that deal.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

28 isn't old. We need a #4 D. We need to get bigger/meaner up front.

It was just something off the top of my head. The original question a couple pages back was, "what are some potential deals out there?" So who would you guys look for in a return?

No 28 isn't old, but you have to think 5 years out. Simmonds would be 33 (and might have already F'ed off three years earlier as a UFA), which IS old for a power forward and Gaudreau would finally turning the same age Simmonds is now.

That's not a good idea for a team who's window is just opening up right now.

And there are better ways to get a #4 Dman, like re-signing Stone for example.

[FanIn80]

^^ Completely valid points.

[Backlunds_socks]

Johnny is BT's highest profile signing; he does not get traded year one into his new contract.

[Flash Walken]

I am neither for nor against Gaudreau, but his latest season was a real departure from the previous two and I'm somewhat anxious to find out if it was an aberration or his new normal.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I am neither for nor against Gaudreau, but his latest season was a real departure from the previous two and I'm somewhat anxious to find out if it was an aberration or his new normal.

Misses camp, new coach/systems, first season of being paid big money, being saddled with Chiasson for a big part of the season, the entire team playing like crap to start the year... I would say there are more indications that this is an aberration than not.

[GoJetsGo]

It's ridiculous trading our best player has become such a prevalent topic just after the season ended.

Gaudreau is still very young and even in an off year where he was injured / coming off that contract dispute he was still essentially a point a game player.

He had a bad playoff series, but it happens. Pat Kane had the exact same stat line in a playoff series the Hawks were equally shut down in.

There are a million other practical topics that could be discussed. Actively trading Gaudreau shouldn't be one of them.