2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The Flames are already using LTIR cap space. The $2.8 million that capfriendly shows that they have is the full season cap hit they can take in at the deadline.

The only way the Flames can fit in Sharp is to have the Stars retain 50% of the salary ($2.95 mil cap hit) and then send someone like Chiasson or F. Hamilton the other way or bury them in the AHL.

Or just move Wideman.

If the Flames acquire anyone only the owing cap hit counts against our cap, which means Sharp would only be about 1.5-2 million against our cap without anything retained. We were already in LTIR space when we acquired Stone and he only counted 544k against the cap. The part of only calculating cap space when on the roster still applies when using LTIR space.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flames/cap_tracker

scroll down to the table

edit: to be exact, Sharp has $1,343,889, so that is all that the most Flames would take on against the cap should he be acquired.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Thanks for the math, but also, ugh.

Without putting too much effort into it, do you know if many other teams face this kind of scenario for next year?

I wonder if part of the price for not moving wideman is partially to force calgary to eat it a bit next year as well.

Pretty much everyone. Of just the top 15 spenders currently:

Detroit, Pittsburgh, Anaheim and Arizona are projected to exceed the cap using the LTIR. All of whom have potential bonuses to pay out like Calgary. (Although I didn't look into specifics in terms of whether they are likely to remove the players from the LTIR before the season ends).

In addition, Philadelphia, San Jose,* Toronto, Chicago, Vancouver and Colorado have bonuses that if completely paid out would cause an overage next year.

Finally, next year Detroit faces a 2.6M hit from Weiss buyout. Anaheim has about 1M in deadspace from Maroon's retained salary trade and Fistric's buyout. Arizona's a gongshow, but they have over 3M in cap from Riberio and Vermette's buyouts. The Flyers still have 1.5M for Umberger. Toronto has over 3M in cap for Kessel, Gleason, and Cowen. LA has Richard's recapture at 1.5M. Avalanche have a minor 500K hit from McLeod's trade. Vancouver has 1.6M allocated to Higgins and Luongo.

Washington and Montreal seem to be the only top half spenders in the clear. San Jose literally just called up Sorensen who has a 0.5M potential bonus, but realistically the bonus payout will likely not put them over the cap and if it does it will be a couple hundred grand.

EDIT: And of course the Flames will still be on the hook for Raymond.

[Gundo]

So who is left as "trade bait" at this point ?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Gundo

So who is left as "trade bait" at this point ?

Evander Kane, Kulikov, Cody Franson for Buffalo
Pretty much any Colorado player not named Rantanen or MacKinnon or maybe Barrie.
Det has a bunch to purge as well.
Fleury
Probably some more TB players.

I still think there's a market for some unique trades to dance around the expansion.

I feel like the Ducks have some tough trades to make.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Gundo

So who is left as "trade bait" at this point ?

Tsn's 'Trade Bait' list. There's a few interesting names left but it's taken a pretty good hit over the last 48 hours:
http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-trade-bait-list-1.203546

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

If the Flames acquire anyone only the owing cap hit counts against our cap, which means Sharp would only be about 1.5-2 million against our cap without anything retained. We were already in LTIR space when we acquired Stone and he only counted 544k against the cap. The part of only calculating cap space when on the roster still applies when using LTIR space.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flames/cap_tracker

scroll down to the table

edit: to be exact, Sharp has $1,343,889, so that is all that the most Flames would take on against the cap should he be acquired.

You can't bank LTIR space like you can regular cap space. The Flames can replace Smid's cap hit every day, but any unused LTIR space is gone once it's gone.



Look at it this way, if you'd prefer...

The Flames have $3,491,734 in available full-season LTIR relief from Smid's contract. This year, there are 180 days in the NHL season. So, every day, the Flames can use up to $19,398.52 in Cap Space for LTIR relief. After the Trade deadline, there will be 40 days remaining in the season, or $775,940.89 in total LTIR relief (part of which, they're already using on Stone).

They're already using $642,530 of the available full-season LTIR relief for Stone's contract. That leaves only $2,849,204 in remaining relief. If you break that down into the 40 days remaining in the season, it's $633,156.44.

In other words, they don't have enough space to acquire the $1,343,889 remaining on Sharp's contract this season. In fact, even if Dallas retained 50% of Sharp's remaining contract, the Flames wouldn't have enough room without moving out some other salary.



CapFriendly shows the amount of total season Cap Hit that teams can add at the deadline because it makes it a lot easier for people to understand rather than saying they can add 40/180ths of a player's salary.

You can look at it as $2.8M in total cap hit, or $0.63M in actual dollars. Either way, it means the same thing.

[sureLoss]

Thank you getbak was just working up my response to that, you saved me time.

edit:

Just to add this is what the tool tip says for current cap space



What capfriendly shows as the current cap space is the full season cap hit a team can add while still being compliant with the salary cap

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by getbak

You can't bank LTIR space like you can regular cap space. The Flames can replace Smid's cap hit every day, but any unused LTIR space is gone once it's gone.



Look at it this way, if you'd prefer...

The Flames have $3,491,734 in available full-season LTIR relief from Smid's contract. This year, there are 180 days in the NHL season. So, every day, the Flames can use up to $19,398.52 in Cap Space for LTIR relief. After the Trade deadline, there will be 40 days remaining in the season, or $775,940.89 in total LTIR relief (part of which, they're already using on Stone).

They're already using $642,530 of the available full-season LTIR relief for Stone's contract. That leaves only $2,849,204 in remaining relief. If you break that down into the 40 days remaining in the season, it's $633,156.44.

In other words, they don't have enough space to acquire the $1,343,889 remaining on Sharp's contract this season. In fact, even if Dallas retained 50% of Sharp's remaining contract, the Flames wouldn't have enough room without moving out some other salary.



CapFriendly shows the amount of total season Cap Hit that teams can add at the deadline because it makes it a lot easier for people to understand rather than saying they can add 40/180ths of a player's salary.

You can look at it as $2.8M in total cap hit, or $0.63M in actual dollars. Either way, it means the same thing.

Thanks, I think them having both projected cap hits and giving a cap space number threw me off.

[djsFlames]

Vanek would cost an arm and a leg, wouldn't he?

PAP and Sharp seem like they'd be decent rentals. 0.5 PPG guys that can score.
Honestly those are the only two vet options that would be any sort of upgrade on what we have at RW.

Last minute pickups that I wouldn't hate include Kane, Doan or Iggy.

Kane purely because he can produce. Doan or Iggy for their character and veteran leadership, which you can never have enough of.

[flamesforcup]

I would love to get Hansen. Its a weak draft so i wouldnt be opposed to giving up picks. He is perfect for our team and signed next year to at a very good caphit and is in his prime. We should load up in case we face the Oilers in the playoffs because we CANNOT lose to them.

[djsFlames]

I thought Hansen was a worse producer than he actually is. I've always remembered him as just being a guy that's shown flashes. Invisible at times, then would make the odd impressive skill play in the o-zone.

But 22 goals last season, on a pretty bad Canucks team. Contract only has 1 year left. Yeah I might be with flamesforcup. Likely better than Chiasson, and will produce at least as frequently as Brouwer has this season. Can't go wrong if a top 9 RW is what Brad is looking to buy. That's a palatable contract.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

I would love to get Hansen. Its a weak draft so i wouldnt be opposed to giving up picks. He is perfect for our team and signed next year to at a very good caphit and is in his prime. We should load up in case we face the Oilers in the playoffs because we CANNOT lose to them.

Weren't the rumors surrounding Hansen suggesting that the price was exorbitant?

[bubbsy]

Sharp, vrbata, Iginla...

There are still some winger options out there

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Sharp, vrbata, Iginla...

There are still some winger options out there

Of those 3 options I could only really see Iginla as a useful player.

Sharp and Vrbata are both top-6 or bust. I could see Iginla slotting in on either the Stajan or Bennett line and making either a bit more of a goal threat.

Need to ditch Wideman first really...

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Of those 3 options I could only really see Iginla as a useful player.

Sharp and Vrbata are both top-6 or bust. I could see Iginla slotting in on either the Stajan or Bennett line and making either a bit more of a goal threat.

Need to ditch Wideman first really...

I disagree, I would say Sharp is the most useful of those players. You say top 6 or bust, but the reality is the same could be said for Versteeg who plays on the 3rd line. Unlike Iginla and Vrbata, Sharp can actually play both wings and since we need either a RW to play on the top line, or a LW to replace the ice cold Versteeg; he would easily be the best fit.

[flamesforcup]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Weren't the rumors surrounding Hansen suggesting that the price was exorbitant?

Im guessing it would have to include our first maybe. Not saying i would do it but maybe thats what it would take. If we can get it done for a second+small plus i would do it but thats doubtful.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

Im guessing it would have to include our first maybe. Not saying i would do it but maybe thats what it would take. If we can get it done for a second+small plus i would do it but thats doubtful.

Not sure if Van would let him go for so little. The ask is for a good young player or prospect that can step in and play in the next 1-2 years. Maybe a klimchuk type prospect? But can see other teams offering more than we may want to pay.

[sureLoss]

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Interested to see if Garth Snow goes big game hunting. Oilers say Eberle isn't moving. Duchene is a good fit for Isles...1/2

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Colorado needs a young D as part of return. Hamonic might not be right fit. Duchene is eager to move. Still tough to make work now. 3 way?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Interested to see if Garth Snow goes big game hunting. Oilers say Eberle isn't moving. Duchene is a good fit for Isles...1/2

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Colorado needs a young D as part of return. Hamonic might not be right fit. Duchene is eager to move. Still tough to make work now. 3 way?

The Islanders definitely have the assets too, they could package together Pulock with one or more of Barzal, Ho Sang, Dal Colle and Strome.

[bubbsy]

Do whatever you need to NYI. Just knock the leafs out pls.