Tipping a server

[Aegypticus]

I don't know about you guys, but if laughing this hard while getting trolled is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

[JohnnyHowDoO'duya]

Originally Posted by Rubicant

A few comments in this thread follow a similar trend I see a lot in society these days:

"Everyone should (be happy with what they make / make less money than they do) because they (do a job that anyone could do / don't work nearly hard enough). Except me of course, I am worth every penny and more."

Not sure if this is directed at me, but not what i am saying. I am saying if you arent happy with your wage and/or hours, why dont you quit and go find something that pays you fairly?

Sounds like the restaurant industry treats its staff pretty bad, and if enough people in the business would stop putting up with it, they would change their model.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

Not sure if this is directed at me, but not what i am saying. I am saying if you arent happy with your wage and/or hours, why dont you quit and go find something that pays you fairly?

Sounds like the restaurant industry treats its staff pretty bad, and if enough people in the business would stop putting up with it, they would change their model.

The whole wages are supplemented by the customers tipping thing has worked pretty well. Why change it because you feel like you shouldn't tip? Either the menu will increase in price or you tip. It's not that complicated. Having a waiter walkout/revolution isn't necessary. Tip or don't go out to eat or do and expect to consume some nasty crap in your life, that's pretty much your options.

[jeffh]

Speaking of the food industry, Mckenzie Towne is getting a Chicken on the Way. It is going in where the Blockbuster used to be. And to keep my post more on topic: Are you supposed to tip at Chicken on the Way? As I've never been.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by jeffh

Speaking of the food industry, Mckenzie Towne is getting a Chicken on the Way. It is going in where the Blockbuster used to be. And to keep my post more on topic: Are you supposed to tip at Chicken on the Way? As I've never been.

ah man......all the time waster trying to start a swingers club in McKenzie Towne.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

that is one ugly tranny

That bra strap looks like its about to violently let go taking out the eye of the nearest waiter.


Just think though in about 20 or 30 years she'll be b1tching about the terrible service at the country kitchen buffet.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

Not sure if this is directed at me, but not what i am saying. I am saying if you arent happy with your wage and/or hours, why dont you quit and go find something that pays you fairly?

Sounds like the restaurant industry treats its staff pretty bad, and if enough people in the business would stop putting up with it, they would change their model.

Youth, students or people with lower education, the people who generally occupy those positions, don't generally have a whole lot of other opportunities.

[JohnnyHowDoO'duya]

Originally Posted by Sowa

The whole wages are supplemented by the customers tipping thing has worked pretty well. Why change it because you feel like you shouldn't tip? Either the menu will increase in price or you tip. It's not that complicated. Having a waiter walkout/revolution isn't necessary. Tip or don't go out to eat or do and expect to consume some nasty crap in your life, that's pretty much your options.

I know, but I dont like the system. I think it has morphed into more than what it was intended for.

Like how the restaurant we went to for Mothers Day added an automatic 18% tip because we had more than 6 people.

I found adding the tip to be obnoxious and an abuse of the TIP system. Fine, I usually tip 25%, thanks for the savings!

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Youth, students or people with lower education, the people who generally occupy those positions, don't generally have a whole lot of other opportunities.

I am not the complaining about the poor wages and crappy shifts that servers have to endure.

If they have few other options, then I guess it shouldnt be a problem. If it is a problem, they should do something about it.

[M*A*S*H 4077]

Wow... Just wow.

I'm not quite sure what happened here. I kept seeing this thread on the first page and was wondering how can a thread about tipping go 17 pages (at the time). Now I know...

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

I know, but I dont like the system. I think it has morphed into more than what it was intended for.

Like how the restaurant we went to for Mothers Day added an automatic 18% tip because we had more than 6 people.

I found adding the tip to be obnoxious and an abuse of the TIP system. Fine, I usually tip 25%, thanks for the savings!




I am not the complaining about the poor wages and crappy shifts that servers have to endure.

If they have few other options, then I guess it shouldnt be a problem. If it is a problem, they should do something about it.

The 18% is stated on the menu usually before time and is common practice. Expect an autograd at 95% of the restaurants if you go there with a large party. This has been common practice for many years. I've had many people leave me notbing on a $400 bill and I now will owe the restaurant money at the end of my shift during my cash out.

Tipping has been around forever in our culture and it isn't going anywhere. You have the power as the consumer now more then ever to read up on reviews of the service and food online, and go to the establishment you want to before hand.

[JohnnyHowDoO'duya]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

The 18% is stated on the menu usually before time and is common practice. Expect an autograd at 95% of the restaurants if you go there with a large party. This has been common practice for many years. I've had many people leave me notbing on a $400 bill and I now will owe the restaurant money at the end of my shift during my cash out.

Tipping has been around forever in our culture and it isn't going anywhere. You have the power as the consumer now more then ever to read up on reviews of the service and food online, and go to the establishment you want to before hand.

I know it was on the menu, like I said I just think its a sign of what is wrong with the entire tipping culture.

Using your logic, why not just add 18% to all bills for tips, afterall couldnt you lose money on any table using that model? whats the difference of 3 tables with 3 people each or putting those three tables together to make it a party of 9?

One of times that really aggravated me. I ordered room service at a hotel, not only did I pay a ridiculas price for the food ($4.00 for a coke), they charged a service fee AND a $3.00 delivery fee. Isnt the delivery component part of the $4.00 I paid for a can of coke?

the hotel basically stole the tip from the attendant, why should I pay 3 times to have it delivered (service fee, delivery fee and tip)?

[flames_1987]

This is the best the service industry has ever been in my mind as a consumer. Tipping isn't going away, it's part of our culture, it's never going to change. You have a bad experience at a place with lousy service, don't give them your money anymore and use the numerous outlets to share your experience there and state your disdain for it.

Calgary has more restaurants then it's ever had and more options. Everything you need to know about them is now at your finger tips.

[cmyden]

Hypothetical question: What if tipping were banned/outlawed?

How would the market react?

Would there suddenly be no good service available, anywhere?

Would nobody ever be willing to serve food?

Or would the laws of supply and demand dictate that wages would automatically rise, and bad servers would be nullified in the process?

Would those rising wages mean a 15% increase in restaurant labor costs, reflected in menu prices, so you'd end up paying the same amount anyways?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by cmyden

Hypothetical question: What if tipping were banned/outlawed?

How would the market react?

Would there suddenly be no good service available, anywhere?

Would nobody ever be willing to serve food?

Or would the laws of supply and demand dictate that wages would automatically rise, and bad servers would be nullified in the process?

Would those rising wages mean a 15% increase in restaurant labor costs, reflected in menu prices, so you'd end up paying the same amount anyways?

Restaurant prices would go up, server wages would go up too but not to as great a degree as the menu prices and not enough to match what they're currently earning in tips.

The consumer and the servers would be the ones getting effed.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

I know it was on the menu, like I said I just think its a sign of what is wrong with the entire tipping culture.

Using your logic, why not just add 18% to all bills for tips, afterall couldnt you lose money on any table using that model? whats the difference of 3 tables with 3 people each or putting those three tables together to make it a party of 9?

One of times that really aggravated me. I ordered room service at a hotel, not only did I pay a ridiculas price for the food ($4.00 for a coke), they charged a service fee AND a $3.00 delivery fee. Isnt the delivery component part of the $4.00 I paid for a can of coke?

the hotel basically stole the tip from the attendant, why should I pay 3 times to have it delivered (service fee, delivery fee and tip)?

Because the chances of 3 tables not tipping you are pretty freaking small, compared to one which is guaranteed to be spending in the hundreds.

Hotels always have charged more, and always had these fees. It's been like that forever. You as the consumer can complain, you have all the outlets to do it in. To refuse to go back to that hotel. It's just like complaining about the prices of food and beer at a hockey game. That service fee isn't even going into the person delivering your food's pocket meaning your argument has nothing to do with tipping at all. Room Service has always been expensive and had these costs, very similar to movie or arena food.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by cmyden

Hypothetical question: What if tipping were banned/outlawed?

How would the market react?

Would there suddenly be no good service available, anywhere?

Would nobody ever be willing to serve food?

Or would the laws of supply and demand dictate that wages would automatically rise, and bad servers would be nullified in the process?

Would those rising wages mean a 15% increase in restaurant labor costs, reflected in menu prices, so you'd end up paying the same amount anyways?

Bad servers are all nullified more now in the process. This is the perfect system as of right now to eliminate bad serving experiences.

[GP_Matt]

I'd bet that prices would climb 15% but the salary of the servers wouldn't climb by nearly as much. (In absolute dollar terms, I am sure their wages would climb at least 15%)

[To Be Quite Honest]

A lot of duck lips in that spring1 photobucket account.

NSFW!

EXTREME ......!! ...... duck LIPS!!!1!!

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

One of times that really aggravated me. I ordered room service at a hotel, not only did I pay a ridiculas price for the food ($4.00 for a coke), they charged a service fee AND a $3.00 delivery fee. Isnt the delivery component part of the $4.00 I paid for a can of coke?

I feel that a room service coke is about as lazy as it gets and the hotels know that. If you really want to be served Coke in bed then they will charge you 9$ for the privilege. Most mid range hotels have pop machines or a small store with reasonable prices if you can walk to the elevator. For the ones that don't you should play really cheap and call a pizza place and ask them how much to deliver a coke to your room, it will probably be cheaper.

[flames_1987]

The point also needs to be made, they made not have many other avenues in life, or even some I know who have degrees, that stayed in the industry, that are incredibly intelligent servers that add to the service of a restaurant. Living in Toronto, wanting to try out the insane amount of different ethnic restaurants, is made so much easier with a skilled server at your table. And I'd say in Canada, in the service industry, 9 times out of 10 a server complaining about their job is not in direct reference to the place they work at, but the entitled A-Hole customers.