[News] Oilers to name Todd McLellan head coach

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

What? Is he going to run over McDavid with a Zamboni?

How many points do you see McDavid getting next year?

McDavid is the obvious choice for Calder but I doubt he runs away with it. Hell, it'll probably be some 22 year old none of us think of.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

McDavid will probably have a MacKinnon-esque season and win the Calder but the Oilers will likely struggle to get more points than he does so it won't really matter. It will be a nice personal accomplishment for him though. It will be a good taste of what is to come as he embarks on the road to being this generation's Marcel Dionne.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

How many points do you see McDavid getting next year?

McDavid is the obvious choice for Calder but I doubt he runs away with it. Hell, it'll probably be some 22 year old none of us think of.

I don't think 60 points would be out of the question given what all the professionals think about him.

I think it will be one of McDavid or Eichel. Eichel had 7 points in 10 games at the WC's. He's ready to do some damage as well.


I don't think the unheralded 22 year old scenario is very likely. Since 05/06 the Calder has been won by a top three pick in every season except Skinner(7th overall) and this past season (Stone/Gaudreau/Forsberg).

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I don't think 60 points would be out of the question given what all the professionals think about him.
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Yeah, I'm guessing that as well. I can also see Bennett, who is one plus his draft year, in that range too. Bennett won't have to run over McDavid with a Zamboni to be in Calder talk. You look foolish making such a flippant comment.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Yeah, I'm guessing that as well. I can also see Bennett, who is one plus his draft year, in that range too. Bennett won't have to run over McDavid with a Zamboni to be in Calder talk. You look foolish making such a flippant comment.

We'll have to agree to disagree as I don't see Bennett as the same calibre of player as McDavid and Eichel.

They are more skilled as well as bigger and stronger.

Bennett besting either of them would be a major surprise IMO.

[YogiBerra]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

We'll have to agree to disagree as I don't see Bennett as the same calibre of player as McDavid and Eichel.

They are more skilled as well as bigger and stronger.

Bennett besting either of them would be a major surprise IMO.

Mcdavid - 6'1 180 According to ohl.com
Bennett - 6'1 180 before he was had surgery and was said to have gained ten pounds while he was healing.

Eichel is definetely bigger though. Bennetts nhl experience will help him come in hot next year dont think he will have as many points as those two but we will see who he lines up with next year.

[Weitz]

Sure Bennett could win next year. So could Hanifin or anyone. But to say Eichel or McDavid aren't the favorites is just silly.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

We'll have to agree to disagree as I don't see Bennett as the same calibre of player as McDavid and Eichel.

They are more skilled as well as bigger and stronger.

Bennett besting either of them would be a major surprise IMO.

I remember last summer people were saying Drouin was a lock for 60+ points and the Calder.

Now, Drouin is not the same caliber of prospect as McDavid, but he was the concensus number one prospect in the league in September. Nothing is a guarantee in the NHL.

Nobody needs to run anybody over with a Zamboni.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

We'll have to agree to disagree as I don't see Bennett as the same calibre of player as McDavid and Eichel.

They are more skilled as well as bigger and stronger.

Bennett besting either of them would be a major surprise IMO.

And which one was a big part of his team being in the 2nd round of the playoffs?

Which one will have to wait another 3ish years to have a sniff?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

We'll have to agree to disagree as I don't see Bennett as the same calibre of player as McDavid and Eichel.

They are more skilled as well as bigger and stronger.

Bennett besting either of them would be a major surprise IMO.

Bennett will likely be the same size as McDavid next year. I love how you underestimate Bennetts skill, your McJesus had a whooping 8 more points than Bennett in their 2nd year with Bennett getting 8more goals.

Bennett lead his team in scoring by 21 points, McJesus never lead his team in scoring...ever!

Now that this poor kid is an Oiler the hype has gone epic.

[Day Tripper]

I think McDavid will get around 75 points next year. He's a ridiculously talented player, the best I've seen in a decade. I wouldn't be surprised to see Eichel hit 70 or close to it as well.

Originally Posted by MattyC

To say "He, of course, will be better than any player the Flames have ever had", like it's a forgone conclusion is quite bold. Especially considering Theo Fleury, Jarome Iginla, Joe Nieuwendyk, Al Macinnis, Lanny MacDonald, have all played for the Flames and McJesus has yet to step on NHL ice.

Hey could be good. Could be really good. Could even be better than all of those players. But in no way does it allow for the "he will, of course.." level of arrogance.

It's very likely. People are usually overly conservative on the great prospects. People said similar things about Crosby. "Oh, Crosby may be a great prospect, but I wouldn't take him over a proven star like Rick Nash."

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

We'll have to agree to disagree as I don't see Bennett as the same calibre of player as McDavid and Eichel.

They are more skilled as well as bigger and stronger.

Bennett besting either of them would be a major surprise IMO.

Yeah, if Bennet was coming out of his draft I wouldn't be picking that point total for him, but he's a year up on Eichel and McDavid and ha some NHL games under his belt.

Think McDavid gets around 60, Eichel about the same, Bennet around 55.

I think McDavid gets the Calder next year and has the most points, but you brushing Bennet aside as needing to do something drastic to be close is just silly. It's you making a slightly arrogant baiting post forgetting you're on a Flames forum again.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Day Tripper

I think McDavid will get around 75 points next year. He's a ridiculously talented player, the best I've seen in a decade. I wouldn't be surprised to see Eichel hit 70 or close to it as well.

To get those totals on teams like Buffalo and Edmonton would be truly amazing.

I know these kids are great prospects but we may need to temper expectations a tad.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I don't think 60 points would be out of the question given what all the professionals think about him.

I think it will be one of McDavid or Eichel. Eichel had 7 points in 10 games at the WC's. He's ready to do some damage as well.


I don't think the unheralded 22 year old scenario is very likely. Since 05/06 the Calder has been won by a top three pick in every season except Skinner(7th overall) and this past season (Stone/Gaudreau/Forsberg).

Actually Mason won it in 08-09 and Myers in 09-10. Neither one was a top 3 pick. I would call Mason unheralded and I think Myers winning it would have been a bit of a surprise given Tavares, Duchene, Hedman and Kane were all eligible and would likely have been favourites going in.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Sure Bennett could win next year. So could Hanifin or anyone. But to say Eichel or McDavid aren't the favorites is just silly.

Actually, to say this guy or that guy is clearly the favourite, and foregoing all others, is what is silly.

Every year there are players that some fans think are a dead lock as the best rookies. Happens every year - like Kuznetsov and Drouin last year, or Tarasenko the prior year.

And every year there are guys that no one predicted - Stone, Forsberg and Klingberg this year; Palat, Johnson and Krug last year.

When it comes to the Calder, it isn't usually wise to hang your hat on one peg.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

To get those totals on teams like Buffalo and Edmonton would be truly amazing.

I know these kids are great prospects but we may need to temper expectations a tad.

I think a lot will boil down to how McLellan coaches the team. If he's willing to let the first line play a one way game like Nelson did I supposed 70 points is a possibility but if he tries to install a 200 foot game I could see growing pains for McDavid and lets not forget that Hall and Eberle both have as much experience playing an NHL 200 foot game as McDavid so there could be an adjustment period. I would expect their powerplay will have to be very good for McDavid to get more than 65 points.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Actually, to say this guy or that guy is clearly the favourite, and foregoing all others, is what is silly.

Every year there are players that some fans think are a dead lock as the best rookies. Happens every year - like Kuznetsov and Drouin last year, or Tarasenko the prior year.

And every year there are guys that no one predicted - Stone, Forsberg and Klingberg this year; Palat, Johnson and Krug last year.

When it comes to the Calder, it isn't usually wise to hang your hat on one peg.

This is a correct statement. Flames are on the upswing, it's not unbelievable that Bennett could hit 60 to 70 points next year. Johnny had 64 this year and only had 1 NHL game under his belt prior (a useless game to boot). I think Ovechkin playing that one extra year in Ruskieland during the 05 lockout benefited him when he returned for his rookie year.

It's also not unbelievable that McJesus could struggle a little out of the gate, especially on a team as brutal as the Oilers are and end up with only 40 to 60 points.

Having said that, my bet for Calder nominees next year in order are McDavid, Eichel, Bennett, but these three are by no means a shoe-in for the nominations.

PS: Kinda interesting that McDavid didn't lead his team in points. Granted, he had the highest PPG, but only this year. Last year Connor Brown had a better PPG than McDavid, and the year before as well.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

What? Is he going to run over McDavid with a Zamboni?

What? No. Why? Who talked?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

What? Is he going to run over McDavid with a Zamboni?

He is going to show McDavid the pedestrian detection system in his new Volvo.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Sure Bennett could win next year. So could Hanifin or anyone. But to say Eichel or McDavid aren't the favorites is just silly.

The favourite going into this year was Drouin.