08-01-2014, 04:34 PM
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#141
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The Bay Area
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Seriously? This is the guy that makes that team go. He just won a Norris. He just helped lead his team to the Stanley Cup finals. PK is 100% a guy you build a team around. Does his game have holes? Sure but he's young and only keeps proving more and more in this league. If there is anyone you want to follow into battle it's exactly a guy like PK.
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His legend builds...
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08-01-2014, 04:39 PM
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#142
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Near Fish Creek
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I like Subban and what he brings to the game. While I can agree that he is not a generational player or the single player to build a team around. I think he is a great addition to most NHL teams.
To put in my old redneck saying "That dog will hunt".
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08-01-2014, 04:45 PM
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#143
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Lifetime Suspension
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Subban is worth 8.5 million at least per in today's market. The Habs have never given that kind of contract before. They are blowing it. They will have to give him his massive deal or he walks.
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08-01-2014, 04:54 PM
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#144
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by BigTuna
Subban is worth 8.5 million at least per in today's market. The Habs have never given that kind of contract before. They are blowing it. They will have to give him his massive deal or he walks.
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and will easily clear 9M+ if MTL screws this up and has him get close to free agency in two years.
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08-01-2014, 04:58 PM
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#145
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hackey
Seriously? This is the guy that makes that team go. He just won a Norris. He just helped lead his team to the Stanley Cup finals. PK is 100% a guy you build a team around. Does his game have holes? Sure but he's young and only keeps proving more and more in this league. If there is anyone you want to follow into battle it's exactly a guy like PK.
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Okay. Now I'm convinced that you just like to make things up.
NO. Subban did not "just win" a Norris Trophy. He won the Norris the prior year, which also happened to be a shortened season and that does somewhat mitigate the accomplishment.
NO. Subban did not lead the Canadiens to the Stanley Cup Finals. In actual fact, his team was rather soundly dispatched by the NY Rangers in six games in the third round.
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08-01-2014, 04:59 PM
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#146
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
and will easily clear 9M+ if MTL screws this up and has him get close to free agency in two years.
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Toews and Kane's 10.5 per have upped the salaries for superstars now.
The "Bridge contract" has turned into a disaster for Montreal.
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08-01-2014, 06:07 PM
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#148
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First Line Centre
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if i am subban and i see the Leafs dish out 50 million for the most overrated d man in the league, then i would be choked..... not sure what montreal is doing here
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08-01-2014, 06:16 PM
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#149
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Self-Retired
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Seriously? This is the guy that makes that team go. He just won a Norris. He just helped lead his team to the Stanley Cup finals. PK is 100% a guy you build a team around. Does his game have holes? Sure but he's young and only keeps proving more and more in this league. If there is anyone you want to follow into battle it's exactly a guy like PK.
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So you disagree with my opinion and have now twice appeared butthurt by my point of view.
I get it. You think the world of Subban. I don't. In fact, I think he is equally a liability as he is an elite talent. That may change as he matures.
But it appears you are responding with your emotions rather than a clear, factual thought process.
Again, we don't need to make this personal and add to that, emotional.
Its OK, man. Its OK.
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08-01-2014, 06:28 PM
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#150
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by the2bears
His legend builds...
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Meant to say Eastern Conference finals but regardless. Team doesn't make the noise it did without him.
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08-01-2014, 06:31 PM
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#151
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Okay. Now I'm convinced that you just like to make things up.
NO. Subban did not "just win" a Norris Trophy. He won the Norris the prior year, which also happened to be a shortened season and that does somewhat mitigate the accomplishment.
NO. Subban did not lead the Canadiens to the Stanley Cup Finals. In actual fact, his team was rather soundly dispatched by the NY Rangers in six games in the third round.
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2 years ago is pretty recent. Never specified last year. In a bridge prove yourself 2 year contract he won a Norris and help lead his team to the Eastern Conference finals. Can't really ask for much more than that.
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08-01-2014, 06:37 PM
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#152
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by IgiTang
So you disagree with my opinion and have now twice appeared butthurt by my point of view.
I get it. You think the world of Subban. I don't. In fact, I think he is equally a liability as he is an elite talent. That may change as he matures.
But it appears you are responding with your emotions rather than a clear, factual thought process.
Again, we don't need to make this personal and add to that, emotional.
Its OK, man. Its OK.
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Lol. I think you must have me confused with yourself. I'm also just stating my opinion. "Emotion" never even crossed my mind. In fact your the one who said you HATED Subban and thought he was "such a loser." Pretty strong emotions to have about a total stranger. Sounds like you might be the emotional one. But hey...
It's OK, man. It's OK.
And for the record I'm not even that big of a Subban fan, I just realize his importance to the Habs. Calling him a complimentary player is ridiculous.
Last edited by Hackey; 08-01-2014 at 06:43 PM.
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08-01-2014, 06:43 PM
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#153
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Lifetime Suspension
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Learn to use the multi-quote function so that you don't post multiple replies in row.
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Meant to say Eastern Conference finals but regardless. Team doesn't make the noise it did without him.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hackey
2 years ago is pretty recent. Never specified last year. In a bridge prove yourself 2 year contract he won a Norris and help lead his team to the Eastern Conference finals. Can't really ask for much more than that.
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Lol. I think you must have me confused with yourself. I'm also just stating my opinion. "Emotion" never even crossed my mind. In fact your the one who said you HATED Subban and thought he was "such a loser." Pretty strong emotions to have about a total stranger. Sounds like you might be the emotional one. But hey...
It's OK, man. It's OK.
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08-01-2014, 07:48 PM
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#154
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#1 Goaltender
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Deepest apologies.
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08-01-2014, 07:59 PM
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#155
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Meant to say Eastern Conference finals but regardless. Team doesn't make the noise it did without him.
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I would say that spectacular goaltending got them as far in the playoffs as they went. PK had some good moments but Price/Tokarski were lights out for most of the games.
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08-01-2014, 08:04 PM
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#156
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Team doesn't make the noise it did without him.
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I think most would agree that the Canadians are a lot louder with Subban.
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08-01-2014, 08:08 PM
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#157
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Franchise Player
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Edit: the more I read, the more i think the team is who decides between 1 or 2 years, is that correct?
Reason I'm asking is because my buddy said Subban is asking for 2 years and the Canadians are asking for 1. I think that's wrong though.
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Last edited by CalgaryFan1988; 08-01-2014 at 08:15 PM.
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08-01-2014, 09:04 PM
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#158
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
Edit: the more I read, the more i think the team is who decides between 1 or 2 years, is that correct?
Reason I'm asking is because my buddy said Subban is asking for 2 years and the Canadians are asking for 1. I think that's wrong though.
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Yes.
Whichever side didn't file for arbitration gets to determine the length. Since Subban filed, the Habs got the choice.
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08-01-2014, 09:17 PM
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#159
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: TEXAS!!
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Ok, I can understand the club strong-arming him for a bridge deal. They played hard-ball, he broke, and they got him for a "show me" contract that was less than his market value.
But then he SHOWED THEM.
They bent him over, and now that he's trying to exert some leverage, I can't say I feel one bit sorry for them.
He is worth $8.5m, so give him the money. And if he wants to use it as a stepping stone to a bigger contract at the end of this one, well then that's the time to play hard ball. When he's actually asking more than he's worth. But right now he's asking for his fair market value.
I don't understand taking a kid to arbitraton when he is asking for a salary that is well in line with what he brings to the team.
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08-01-2014, 10:18 PM
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#160
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Self-Retired
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Lol. I think you must have me confused with yourself. I'm also just stating my opinion. "Emotion" never even crossed my mind. In fact your the one who said you HATED Subban and thought he was "such a loser." Pretty strong emotions to have about a total stranger. Sounds like you might be the emotional one. But hey...
It's OK, man. It's OK.
And for the record I'm not even that big of a Subban fan, I just realize his importance to the Habs. Calling him a complimentary player is ridiculous.
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You win buds. PK is the greatest. GJ, your astute observations and sly debating methods have turned my opinion on Subban. As the person who you think is the loser... I will do... Nothing.
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