Yes but if we could shove people who act like idiots to the ground, there would be a lot less people acting like idots, and a lot more smiles on peoples faces.
If you honestly believe this there is no hope for humanity. 9/10 times you shove someone for being an idiot your goimg to escalate the situation into a more violence. You shove someone they get up and a fight ensues.
If you shove someome for being an idiot your just as big of an idiot for thinking that would solve the problem.
If you honestly believe this there is no hope for humanity. 9/10 times you shove someone for being an idiot your goimg to escalate the situation into a more violence. You shove someone they get up and a fight ensues.
If you shove someome for being an idiot your just as big of an idiot for thinking that would solve the problem.
This is why bullying has become such an issue, kids have been taught to NOT stand up for themselves.
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No ones ####ing anti police. People have issue with civil rights laws that are being violated in these specific cases and how bad the prosecutor handled them.
Sounds like this is more of an issue with the justice system and the laws written, not the people enforcing them no? You can't move the goalposts then blame the cops. If your issue is with the lack of indictment, how the prosecutor handled the case, etc., argue this to the courts, represented officials, etc.
Seems like you're blaming cops for stuff that is truly out of their control. If your beef is with use of force, ok. But don't blame the cops for the "system" that they enforce when they're operating in the boundaries set by the courts and the government.
Sounds like this is more of an issue with the justice system and the laws written, not the people enforcing them no? You can't move the goalposts then blame the cops. If your issue is with the lack of indictment, how the prosecutor handled the case, etc., argue this to the courts, represented officials, etc.
Seems like you're blaming cops for stuff that is truly out of their control. If your beef is with use of force, ok. But don't blame the cops for the "system" that they enforce when they're operating in the boundaries set by the courts and the government.
Yes, the majority of the problems is based on how the system operates. In these specific cases ( especially in the case of Eric Garner.) These police officers may have not even operated within police policies, how they were trained or within the current laws.
In the Eric Garner case it has been outlined the choke hold is is not included in NYPD training or within the department's current policy. The officer should be held accountable for acting outside of what he has been taught .
I get it he panicked and acted out of instinct. Police are only human and are bound to make mistakes. They also need to be held accountable for their mistakes. 1000's of people make mistakes that are life and death decisions and many of them are now having to face a jury of their peers. A police officer should be no different when it comes to force leading to a reckless death.
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Amid a roiling national debate about police oversight, the Miami City Commission last night voted to take away Miami PD's ability to investigate its own police shootings. Instead, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement will probe those deaths.
Miami's police union president didn't take the news quietly. Sgt. Javier Ortiz blasted commissioners in a two-page letter slamming them for spending more time talking about cops harassing public urinators than discussing a recent spate of murders.
"Miami cops aren't killing people," Ortiz writes. "Bad people in our community are killing our loved ones."Ortiz points out that six people have been murdered in Miami in the past week. Where's the outrage over that violence?
That's a very fair critique, but it's also a bit of a red herring. Hardemon might have gone way off point, but the larger issue of yesterday's discussion wasn't to solve Miami's rampant peeing-in-public problems. It was to talk about the legitimate issue of whether enough checks and balances are in place on Miami officers who use deadly force.
That's only a particular point of discussion, remember, because Miami PD is still under a Department of Justice civil rights investigation for a string of seven deadly police shootings in eight months a few years ago.
One officers involved in three fatal shootings -- Officer George Diaz -- is also one of the most frequent Taser users on the force, a recent New Times investigation found.
Tamir Rice Shooting video released. It's incredibly sad.
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The officers stood by without tending to Tamir, the extended video showed. It was not until four minutes after the shooting, the video showed, that Tamir received medical assistance when another man was seen bent down next to him. According to Benjamin Crump, the Rice family’s lawyer, the man who provided the first medical assistance was an F.B.I. agent who was in the neighborhood. Paramedics arrived eight minutes after the shooting, and Tamir was taken away on a stretcher about five minutes later, the video shows.
A shorter surveillance video released earlier showed Tamir being shot by a rookie Cleveland officer, Timothy Loehmann, seconds after the police cruiser arrived and skidded to a stop next to the boy at a gazebo outside the recreation center. The black pistol that Tamir had, which looked like a real handgun, was an imitation. His mother later said it had been given to Tamir to play with by a friend that afternoon.
The police said Tamir was told to raise his hands but instead reached to his waistband for the gun, though the previously released surveillance video showed that the shooting happened so fast, it was hard to know whether the officer issued any warnings or whether Tamir could have understood them if he did.
The killing, which occurred two weeks before a Justice Department report concluded that the Cleveland police had a pattern of “unreasonable and unnecessary use of force,” angered many residents of the city, which has a black majority. On Thursday, the city’s media relations director, Dan Williams, said the extended video was released once it was clear that it would not interfere with the investigation. “My intent was to get it out so the public could see all of the tape,” Mr. Williams said.
A Cleveland police spokeswoman said they could not comment because the shooting was under investigation. Officials from Cleveland’s main police union did not respond to a request for comment.
In an interview, Mr. Crump called the events on the video “outrageous and inhumane.”
“How inhumane to put her in handcuffs and sit her in the car about four feet from where her brother lay dying,” Mr. Crump said of Tamir’s sister, “and she has to watch that. And they rendered no aid to this kid.”
Family members thought it was important, Mr. Crump said, for “people see this video as they continue to fight for justice and see whether the grand jury will hold the police officer accountable.” Mr. Crump said an audio recording from a phone of someone at the recreation center indicated Tamir was alive when the officers were detaining his sister. The recording, he said, reveals that a teenager had tried to calm Tamir’s sister as she rushed to the shooting, saying: “He’s not dead. He’s still moving.”
Officer Loehmann, 26, who fired the fatal shot, had quit a suburban police force after his supervisors determined two years ago that he had had a “dangerous loss of composure” during firearms training and was emotionally unprepared to cope with stresses of the job. The Cleveland police acknowledged that they had never reviewed the previous police personnel file of Officer Loehmann.
"I didn't understand how important compliance was"
how about I just don't charge at an officer in a confrontational manner, can I not be shot then? Not too big on the idea of society being compliant to police officers without question.
"I didn't understand how important compliance was"
how about I just don't charge at an officer in a confrontational manner, can I not be shot then? Not too big on the idea of society being compliant to police officers without question.
AC Do you really think that there is a conspiracy to take away the rights of people by police just for kicks?
The reason you need to be compliant with police is for your safety, the police officers safety, and the general publics safety! The police don't care who you are, what color you are what religion you are when it comes to an emergency other than if you match the description of a suspect. And if you do match the description of a suspect and are nearby the occurrence, unbeknownst to you.
Lets say there is an armed (gun) robbery that occurs at 52St and 32Ave NE, offender is described as a White male, 6' 180lbs, wearing jeans, black hoodie, with a backpack. He left north. Police are responding and see a male at a bus stop at 52 st and temple, he is a white male, 6' jeans/black hoodie, with a backpack (you), you are waiting for the bus, hands in your pockets. Police jump out of there cars and pull out their guns point them at you and yell at you to "show your hands".... what you do next has a serious impact on the police's actions.
When do you think the time to question the police's officers actions are? Right then?
the video was very interesting but also quite slanted. 3 scenarios and in all 3 the perps wanted to harm the cops, one shot to kill, the other charged a cop with a gun drawn, and the 3rd scenario the dude had a knife and was resisting arrest.
100% of the people police will encounter aren't looking to harm them.
the video was very interesting but also quite slanted. 3 scenarios and in all 3 the perps wanted to harm the cops, one shot to kill, the other charged a cop with a gun drawn, and the 3rd scenario the dude had a knife and was resisting arrest.
100% of the people police will encounter aren't looking to harm them.
missing the point.
While a small % of people may be only looking to harm them, police have to treat every situation as if everybody wants to hurt them or they run the risk of not going home to their families.
and it was slanted to show how quickly you need to make a decision about shooting a person or getting hurt yourself
While a small % of people may be only looking to harm them, police have to treat every situation as if everybody wants to hurt them or they run the risk of not going home to their families.
and it was slanted to show how quickly you need to make a decision about shooting a person or getting hurt yourself
and yet being a cop in the USA isn't even in the top 10 of the most deadly professions. I don't think I am missing the point, I simply disagree with the narrative that everyones out there to harm the police.
the video was very interesting but also quite slanted. 3 scenarios and in all 3 the perps wanted to harm the cops, one shot to kill, the other charged a cop with a gun drawn, and the 3rd scenario the dude had a knife and was resisting arrest.
100% of the people police will encounter aren't looking to harm them.
Well (and to address some other issues folks have raised with the video) first off, they are called "Shoot or don't shoot" scenarios, which is why there were no 'other' options presented. You are being asked to decide to use or not use a gun.
I'm also not sure what to do with your number there...If no one's looking to hurt cops, then we'd not hear about cops getting beat up, hit or shot (not that we do much in the first place anyhow).
I think you may mean it in that they don't START with the intention to hurt cops, but may/will when they try to evade being caught. "You are under arrest" seems to spark a lot of attacks.
and yet being a cop in the USA isn't even in the top 10 of the most deadly professions.
Every time I see this, I wonder what the number is and how the jobs shake out if you factor out "accidental" danger. From every list I saw, most jobs are ACCIDENTALLY dangerous. You do something dumb at work or are not paying attention or a co-worker does something dumb and...dead. The rest are driving related (truck drivers and taxi drivers) due to traffic concerns (no surprise there, really, driving is dangerous).
