I don't agree with the way the police handled that situation at all, but it is pretty obvious that guy was trolling them. It's not an excuse of course and they need to control it when they are simply pissed off.
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Bent Wookie, I really respect your opinions on these subjects (I mean that sincerely) but these snippy comments you're making, and the agenda you're pushing; that everyone getting on poor policing are "anti policers" is really grating and taking way more away from the discussion than the posters you're accusing of the same.
It's especially frustrating for me, as I've had some harsh words for certain aspects of American law enforcement and think it's completely broken in most States, yet I defend Calgary Police more than anyone I know and think they do an incredible job. They're a force that most American forces could only dream of being like. Yet based on your generalizations, I end up being an "anti-policer" based on your commentary in this thread.
It's to the point now where whenever I see a new post from you I already know it's a sarcastic shot at someone criticizing law enforcement, and lately it's gone beyond that to the point where you're now just grouping everyone into a catch all "Anti-policers" and throwing drive by's at the group.
That's fair enough. The only problem is that you've got a few clear 'anti-policers' making a majority of the posts in this thread that Bent Wookie is responding to. Nobody is calling them out for their predictable rhetoric and generalization.
I don't really get what you're showing here other than continuing to push your anti police agenda.
It's a guy dancing in downtown Manhattan on Christmas Eve.
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Do I think the police handled that correctly after they determined he wasn't threat? No. Not at all.
So then what sort of consequences do you think those officers should face? What separates this from not being the 'correct' way to handle the situation and it being assault?
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But even you and the others have to acknowledge that in the light of the environment in NY at the moment, and indeed, the entire US, the "prank" was in really poor taste and certainly had the possibility of eliciting such a response, considering to NY police officers were murdered while sitting in their car last week.
So it's the fault of the guy who did nothing illegal that he was accosted/assaulted by police officers?
The officers behave 'incorrectly' according to you but the onus is on the public citizen not to be a victim of their 'incorrect' behaviour.
Standard boiler plate I guess. Cops react poorly/wrongly/aggressively but it's the citizen's fault.
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Ok Flash...what consequences do YOU think the officers should face after seeing the entire video uncut?
I think the one guy should face sanctions or whatever it is police in NY get for misbehaving/not following protocol. ...but beyond that. ...what else would be an appropriate punishment in your world?
Ok Flash...what consequences do YOU think the officers should face after seeing the entire video uncut?
I think the one guy should face sanctions or whatever it is police in NY get for misbehaving/not following protocol. ...but beyond that. ...what else would be an appropriate punishment in your world?
That's about what I would expect as well.
Perhaps an evaluation of his on-duty conduct and a posting that deals less directly with the public.
He wasn't doing anything illegal, and appears innocent enough, but he was still acting like an idiot, trolling the officers (as was mentioned earlier) and looking for a reaction. "Shoving him" to the ground should be an appropiatte consequence for his actions. Freedom of expression does not mean freedom from consequence, the kid is just lucky it was the police who put an end to this non sense before someone really beat the dickens out of him.
And boo hoo, they called him a name, he got is viral video though so all is good. I'm also suprised that no one else took him down in any of the earlier footage. I would like to know what Ellen thinks of this, for someone who is so anti bullying, she walks a fine line with all her challenges and pranks and what not. You can balme the police, the dancing kid, or Ellen de Rossi for this one.
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It's a guy dancing in downtown Manhattan on Christmas Eve.
So then what sort of consequences do you think those officers should face? What separates this from not being the 'correct' way to handle the situation and it being assault?
So it's the fault of the guy who did nothing illegal that he was accosted/assaulted by police officers?
The officers behave 'incorrectly' according to you but the onus is on the public citizen not to be a victim of their 'incorrect' behaviour.
Standard boiler plate I guess. Cops react poorly/wrongly/aggressively but it's the citizen's fault.
Yup. Perfect analysis of what I said...
Keep on keepin on...
And Flameswin, do you understand what I am talking about now? Not even an acknowledgment from "that" crowd.
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He wasn't doing anything illegal, and appears innocent enough...
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"Shoving him" to the ground should be an appropiatte consequence for his actions.
I'm finding it difficult to reconcile these two thoughts in the same post. It's illegal for me to shove someone to the ground right? Like... If I saw someone on the train today dancing or singing I'd be considered a jerk and probably face criminal charges for shoving them to the ground right?
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I'm finding it difficult to reconcile these two thoughts in the same post. It's illegal for me to shove someone to the ground right? Like... If i saw someone on the train today dancing or singing it'd be considered a jerk and probably face criminal charges for shoving them to the ground right?
Yes but if we could shove people who act like idiots to the ground, there would be a lot less people acting like idots, and a lot more smiles on peoples faces.
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Let's not go overboard though about him doing nothing wrong - like he was just approached because he was 'dancing'. I'm sure there are a number of completely justifiable tickets he could have received.
Should they have given him a little push, maybe not. Mainly because you never know when you have some jackpot filming an incident and just waiting to go down like a sack of bricks and scream 'abuse'.
Yes but if we could shove people who act like idiots to the ground, there would be a lot less people acting like idots, and a lot more smiles on peoples faces.
Disagree. If I saw you trying to push someone being stupid I'd stop you. I vehemently disagree with some people but %100 support their right to think differently than me. You start punishing people for difference of opinion or non violent behavior you are bordering on fascism. Non violence trumps freewill trumps fascism
I understand what the police officer is sayimg but just let them walk away man. Let the situation die.
He is ####inh dead ####ing wrong when he said look at Ferguson and New York that a Jury said they are not guilty.
A grand Jury does not decide guilt. This cop previously asked do you know the laws 30 seconds before he made that statement. He didn't even know a purpose of a grand jury.
I get some people like Bent Wookie wanna play the Anti cop card on people who disagree with how cases are handled but that part of the video shows even some policeman misunderstand the system.
No ones ####ing anti police. People have issue with civil rights laws that are being violated in these specific cases and how bad the prosecutor handled them.
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