Police shooting of unarmed teen leads to protests and Riot

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Ben_in_Canada

Hope not a fata

Benny, is this real? Is this the same fella?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

One of the things I have noticed when traveling in the US is level of subtle racism that exists in many of the places I've been to. From my perspective, there definitely appears to be a subtle caste system in place, and blacks tend to occupy the lowest tier, working the most menial jobs. My perspective may be flawed due to the relatively short periods of time I head to the states, as well as limited exposure (i.e.: I'm usually at sporting venues), but it is disconcerting to see how institutionalized this level of racism seems to be.

I don't know, I haven't been in the States enough either.
But some of my relatives say that every group is stereotyped differently.

Example:
Latinos = laziness
Asian = nerdiness
Blacks = thuggery

The groups aren't that different from each other. Asians tend to only hang out with each other and have their own neighbourhoods. They are together doing nerdy things that people laugh at but they aren't breaking the law. Blacks commit the most crime, mostly against each other. Thug culture?

I don't know, I'm totally generalizing.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I doubt it goes to trial if he's white either.

The argument would be that he wouldn't have been shot if he was white.

Who would make that argument?

If someone really believes that a white person behaving as Wilson described wouldn't have been shot I would be shocked.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Am I missing something?

she talks about profanity, and that he had a red mark on his face. Oh and the cigars, but if those cigars were still wrapped in plastic and he switched them to his non punching hand its not for sure that they would break and end up in the car.

So you're going to take a handful of cigarillos, and mid fight, switch them to your other hand, and not one falls?

I also see it being very feasible that the plastic breaks and you end up with debris. If you throw a punch with those in your hand, I'm almost certain tobacco would be present.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

So you're going to take a handful of cigarillos, and mid fight, switch them to your other hand, and not one falls?

I also see it being very feasible that the plastic breaks and you end up with debris. If you throw a punch with those in your hand, I'm almost certain tobacco would be present.

Maybe, the grand jury can't make that assumption that a cigar doesn't fall. They went by the evidence that was present, and the testimony that was consistent with the evidence laid out.

you can't make a case around something that wasn't there and assume guilt because it wasn't there.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Steps to not looking like a thug:

1) Be White
2) Don't be Black
3) Be White

as much as i dont like fox news this is a little out of context. theyre friends and he was giving him a friendly rib

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

as much as i dont like fox news this is a little out of context. theyre friends and he was giving him a friendly rib

Yeah, I get the context.

The joke, however, is that the professor does fit the stereotype if you want him to, because he's young, well kept and black. He could be young, unkempt and black and also fit. As long as you're a young, black, man in America, it's plausible and potentially likely that you're a criminal. Not in reality of course, but in constructed myths and stereotypes used to disenfranchise black populations.

Young, black, men are the symbol of criminality in the US.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

you can't make a case around something that wasn't there and assume guilt because it wasn't there.

The grand jury isn't there to assign guilt, only to determine the need for a trial. I'm not going to profess to be a law expert, but it just seems crazy there wasn't enough doubt/inconsistency between Wilson's stories that this thing needed a trial.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Yeah, I get the context.

The joke, however, is that the professor does fit the stereotype if you want him to, because he's well young, well kept and black. He could be young, unkempt and black and also fit. As long as you're a young, black, man in America, it's plausible and potentially likely that you're a criminal. Not in reality of course, but in constructed myths and stereotypes used to disenfranchise black populations.

Young, black, men are the symbol of criminality in the US.

hard to disgaree with that, and probably a bad joke for bill to make. thing is tho i've cracked those jokes with my white friends. bad judgement by bill but i dont think any ill intent was suggested.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

It is one of the mysteries of the modern age that a degenerate draft-dodging pedophile can become a voice for the flag-wavin', gun-totin', law n' order crowd.

Stupid people need a spokesman, I guess, but you'd think they'd be able to rustle up someone better than a guy whose major accomplishment of the last 30 years was getting his face on Wooderson's t-shirt in Dazed and Confused.

It amazes me how American National pride is viewed in such a negative light, yet everywhere I go in Canada there are Canadian flags everywhere.

Personally, I love seeing National flags flying, no matter what the country. I guess Americans aren't supposed to do that though.

I guess I took offense to your statement about Nugent being a spokesman for a set of people that fall into 3 common categories, 2 of which I belong to and one that I don't understand.

Somehow because I fly a flag and own a gun I'm stupid? Or is it the law and order part that would make me stupid? That's the one I don't understand. Either way, I think you just called me stupid.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Ducay

I'd argue its quite similar for blacks there as it is for Natives in Canada (minus all the subsidies and gov't assistance). They often can never get a leg up and get trapped in a cycle of alcohol/drug abuse and/or poverty and it is extremely hard for them to get out of it. Same amount of racism here towards them as there is in many areas in the US for blacks.

We have Natives here in the US as well. Nobody wants to talk about them though.

Evidently blacks have it worse than natives here.

(My use of Nobody above was not intended to refer to this forum or its members! I was referring to public discourse)

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

hard to disgaree with that, and probably a bad joke for bill to make. thing is tho i've cracked those jokes with my white friends. bad judgement by bill but i dont think any ill intent was suggested.

It's the implication.

Here's a highly educated black teacher, pillar of his local community who works in a capacity that helps others, and it's not out of line for a white guy to suggest he fits the description of a cocaine dealer.

The undertone of the comment is that no matter how successful this guy might be, he still looks black and therefore still fits the stereotype for criminality.

It's a powerful lens to see into the psyche of someone like bill o'reilly, and vicariously into the psyche of people who watch his show because they believe what he says is truthful or relevant.



These guys and Prof. Hill have the same job. What's the single criteria involved in believability for criminality? Age is certainly one, but it's not the most obvious.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

^Absurd.

A large portion of the budget deficit reported in 2009 is simply because the Obama administration refused to continue on with the lie of the previous administration and include the costs of military expenditures in Iraq and Afghanistan as part of the actual budget.

The other part of the equation is the preceding 8 years of financial mismanagement that is completely ignored. Like Obama decided to come into office with a staggering, pre-existing budget deficit and a recession.

I don't even...I mean, it's so obvious...how can you...

I don't get it. It's not even the thread for it, but I mean, that's just---there are no words.

Obama chose to spend his way out of the crisis. Not saying it was the wrong move, as it fits in with Keynesian theory, but that was his strategy.

Also the financial crisis had it's roots in Clinton's administration. Bush kept or going. The blame can be divided between both parties, and they knew this. That's why there was little finger pointing when things fell apart.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

What's the single criteria involved in believability for criminality?

Neck tattoos?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by blankall

Obama chose to spend his way out of the crisis. Not saying it was the wrong move, as it fits in with Keynesian theory, but that was his strategy.

Also the financial crisis had it's roots in Clinton's administration. Bush kept or going. The blame can be divided between both parties, and they knew this. That's why there was little finger pointing when things fell apart.

So you can say previous administrations were responsible, but the direct preceding year doesn't count?

This is pretty creative reasoning. It's also Bill Clinton's fault, but, a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit has nothing to with a 1.2 trillion dollar deficit that directly preceded it the year before.

Truly stunning.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by blankall

Obama chose to spend his way out of the crisis. Not saying it was the wrong move, as it fits in with Keynesian theory, but that was his strategy.

Also the financial crisis had it's roots in Clinton's administration. Bush kept or going. The blame can be divided between both parties, and they knew this. That's why there was little finger pointing when things fell apart.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/oba...nferno-or-not/

[quote]
The truth is that the nearly 18 percent spike in spending in fiscal 2009 — for which the president is sometimes blamed entirely — was mostly due to appropriations and policies that were already in place when Obama took office.

...

But it’s also true that Obama signed a number of appropriations bills, plus other legislation and executive orders, that raised spending for the remainder of fiscal 2009 even above the path set by Bush. By our calculations, Obama can be fairly assigned responsibility for a maximum of $203 billion in additional spending for that year.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Maybe, the grand jury can't make that assumption that a cigar doesn't fall. They went by the evidence that was present, and the testimony that was consistent with the evidence laid out.

you can't make a case around something that wasn't there and assume guilt because it wasn't there.

Yeah, but maybe you can ask a few tougher questions when a story doesn't logically fit together. Why were there no cuts, scrapes, bruises, etc., on Mike Brown's hands? Why were the injuries to Darren Wilson so minor if he'd been hit in the face twice at full force by a nearly 300 lb man?

[CaptainCrunch]

When I watched the interview last night with Wilson and he illustrated how Brown held his hands and threw punches it showed why there might not be full blown bruising. As well this was a scuffle where one person was in the car and one outside, its difficult to throw a hard straight punch in that situation.

It sounds like it was more of Wilson wrestling and fending then throwing blows in the car, that would explain why there weren't bruises and cuts on his hands.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

It is one of the mysteries of the modern age that a degenerate draft-dodging pedophile can become a voice for the flag-wavin', gun-totin', law n' order crowd.

Stupid people need a spokesman, I guess, but you'd think they'd be able to rustle up someone better than a guy whose major accomplishment of the last 30 years was getting his face on Wooderson's t-shirt in Dazed and Confused.

What makes you think that Nugent is a voice for the anti-Mike Brown crowd any more than you are a voice for the pro-Mike Brown crowd?

He's just another guy with an opinion. No more, no less.

Also, you seem to be insinuating that anybody that isn't firmly is Mike Browns corner is "stupid". Is that really how you want to come off?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

So you can say previous administrations were responsible, but the direct preceding year doesn't count?

This is pretty creative reasoning. It's also Bill Clinton's fault, but, a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit has nothing to with a 1.2 trillion dollar deficit that directly preceded it the year before.

Truly stunning.

Bush only had a .4 trillion dollar deficit in his last term. And yes all the deficits were related, but the Democrats chose to spend their way out, while the Republicans wanted to spend far less.

Obama has been a solid president, but fiscal conservativism has not been a hallmark of his terms.