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Old 08-31-2014, 07:54 PM   #901
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I think the point still stands with felony vs. misdemeanor. But appreciate the clarification, Temporary User.
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I find the link between "States Rights" as a euphemism for racism to be interesting when it comes to Ron Paul and his Libertarian philosophy. In his "We the People Act"

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Prohibits the Supreme Court and each federal court from adjudicating any claim or relying on judicial decisions involving: (1) state or local laws, regulations, or policies concerning the free exercise or establishment of religion;
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This, clearly, is an attempt to block national redress of state tyranny. It makes it possible for individual states to create their own little theocracies, while it prevents anyone from taking this to an authority beyond those individual states. Obvious abuses come to mind and strike this reader as a return to pre-Civil War days, when "states rights" was an excuse to continue the practice of slavery. I find it an incredibly dangerous piece of legislation, and indicative of the mindset of Ron Paul. Indicative of the con game he's been playing as well.
Champion of civil rights and civil liberties? Not if "states rights" trump them.
This is more proof that the Libertarian followers are either idiots, misinformed or are racists.

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^^ This doesn't explain why they are shooting each other though, which is a far bigger problem then any potentially corrupt or rascist police dept is. The black on black crime numbers are astounding, the tally after this long week end in Chicago alone will be +/- 20 homicides and the press, the community and the civil rights leaders will turn a blind eye.
This goes to poverty. It just so happens minorities have far higher levels of poverty for all the reasons Flash listed. But people who can't feed themselves or their family, or feel trapped, will look for a way out. Or even act out in anger and desperation. IIt's about poverty, not race.

But yes, many black leaders have pointed to those statistics and said that the communities in need and trouble need to be banding together instead of ripping each other apart. It is an issue that needs to be worked on. But knowledge and sympathy of why it happens is important. It's not 'black on black'. It's desperate v desperate.
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I don't think that part is technically correct. It's not a federal vs state law thing, it's a felony vs misdemeanor thing. You lose your voting ability if you are charged with a felony and employers are able to ask if you've ever been charged with a felony.

Most drug crimes are felonies though. Having a small amount of drugs on you is typically a misdemeaner. Having a lot, selling. or making the drugs is almost always a felony.

http://norml.org/laws/item/federal-penalties-2

http://adplegal.com/practice-areas/n...crime-lawyers/
Great add on.

Here's just another piece of information.

While most possession of small amounts can be considered a misdemeanor, possession of 5 grams of crack cocaine was a mandatory minimum of 5 years in prison, the equivalent of 500 grams of powdered cocaine.

This is a law explicitly designed to target urban black communities.

I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist here, but the Fair Sentencing Act was the first law to address this since 1986, and it happened to be signed into law by a black president, while the unnecessarily punitive policy was signed into law by a racist...

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"The penalty for possession of a saccharin package worth of crack cocaine is a five-year mandatory minimum. And it goes up from there astronomically to where you're at a life sentence before you can bat an eye with crack cocaine," she said, "Whereas you have to have 5 kilos of powder cocaine, so it's literally 100 times more severe penalty for the same amount of drug."
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This goes to poverty. It just so happens minorities have far higher levels of poverty for all the reasons Flash listed. But people who can't feed themselves or their family, or feel trapped, will look for a way out. Or even act out in anger and desperation. IIt's about poverty, not race.

But yes, many black leaders have pointed to those statistics and said that the communities in need and trouble need to be banding together instead of ripping each other apart. It is an issue that needs to be worked on. But knowledge and sympathy of why it happens is important. It's not 'black on black'. It's desperate v desperate.
The Hispanic population is equally Impovereshed , yet the jump to violence and gun culture pales in comparison to the black community. The "thug life" mentality and it's glorification in pop culture is equally to blame as poverty is. I would say my family hovered around the poverty line 10 years in the eighties, yet I was taught right from wrong, respect for myself and for others and how to make a better life.

The mentality in the communities is what needs to change, how to do it is the question. Professional Athletes and Hip Hop artists have shown us that an end to poverty does necessarily mean an end to to crime and violence, be it petty drug charges or more severe.
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The Hispanic population is equally Impovereshed , yet the jump to violence and gun culture pales in comparison to the black community. The "thug life" mentality and it's glorification in pop culture is equally to blame as poverty is. I would say my family hovered around the poverty line 10 years in the eighties, yet I was taught right from wrong, respect for myself and for others and how to make a better life.

The mentality in the communities is what needs to change, how to do it is the question. Professional Athletes and Hip Hop artists have shown us that an end to poverty does necessarily mean an end to to crime and violence, be it petty drug charges or more severe.
Are you saying there is no glorification of 'thug life' as you put it, in Hispanic communities? I included that in my poverty argument. I only quoted black on black as it's the phrase you used.

Do you watch tv? Do you look at statistics? Your point fits better to my argument than yours. Your either just arguing for the sake of arguing or need to do more reading.

Yeah, no impovershed Hispanics in these communities and gangs.

Your post makes zero sense. Cat pushing a watermelon out of a lake and all that.
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Nm.Disregard.

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The Hispanic population is equally Impovereshed , yet the jump to violence and gun culture pales in comparison to the black community. The "thug life" mentality and it's glorification in pop culture is equally to blame as poverty is. I would say my family hovered around the poverty line 10 years in the eighties, yet I was taught right from wrong, respect for myself and for others and how to make a better life.

The mentality in the communities is what needs to change, how to do it is the question. Professional Athletes and Hip Hop artists have shown us that an end to poverty does necessarily mean an end to to crime and violence, be it petty drug charges or more severe.
Blames the media/pop culture for glorifying "thug life," conveniently forgets which race has an overwhelming control over how minorities are portrayed in media and pop culture.

EDIT: Also, there are plenty of people in the black community who are more than aware of the problems largely associated with black masculinity. If you're actually interested in the subject, check out some of the material from Byron Hurt, specifically his documentary, "Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes."

http://www.bhurt.com/films/view/hip_...eatsand_rhymes

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Blames the media/pop culture for glorifying "thug life," conveniently forgets which race has an overwhelming control over how minorities are portrayed in media and pop culture.l]
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Yep, gonna need the old citation on that one, sir.
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MORE UPDATES IN FERGUSON.

1. Police department of Ferguson will now all wear body cameras. Two private security firms have donated them.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mic...ooting-n193196


2. The Police officer who had pointed the rifle and said " I will ####ing kill you" before a sergeant came over and made him lower his weapon and leave.He has resigned while he was currently serving an indefinite suspension.
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MORE UPDATES IN FERGUSON.

1. Police department of Ferguson will now all wear body cameras. Two private security firms have donated them.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mic...ooting-n193196


2. The Police officer who had pointed the rifle and said " I will ####ing kill you" before a sergeant came over and made him lower his weapon and leave.He has resigned while he was currently serving an indefinite suspension.
Good on both counts
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Update.

The U.S. Justice Department plans to open an investigation into the practices of the Ferguson Police Department.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael...ated-1.2753902

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The investigation is separate from an ongoing civil rights investigation the Justice Department is conducting into the shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown by Officer Darren Wilson on Aug. 9.
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I hadn't seen this before, thought this might be of some interest.


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I hadn't seen this before, thought this might be of some interest.

I have seen this one before. I have always been amazed that 2/3 of the cops pleaded not guilty but New Jersey is right up there with Florida in crazy.
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I hadn't seen this before, thought this might be of some interest.

So take two patrols possibly at random, and every cop involved is willing to partake in unprovoked violence and lying to the point where the victim could have gone to prison. Funny how the African-American community doesn't trust them.

I think the most telling point is how one cop keeps yelling "stop trying to resist" and "stop trying to take my gun". It's obvious he knows this is how you get away with stuff.
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Here's a report on how local government's reliance on fines are impacting the poor of St. Louis County. Noteworthy is the fact that having a local government and police force that is representative of the community by itself is no panacea to abusive police practices.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...-from-poverty/
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The Hispanic population is equally Impovereshed , yet the jump to violence and gun culture pales in comparison to the black community. The "thug life" mentality and it's glorification in pop culture is equally to blame as poverty is. I would say my family hovered around the poverty line 10 years in the eighties, yet I was taught right from wrong, respect for myself and for others and how to make a better life.

The mentality in the communities is what needs to change, how to do it is the question. Professional Athletes and Hip Hop artists have shown us that an end to poverty does necessarily mean an end to to crime and violence, be it petty drug charges or more severe.
I have to agree, it must be race, I mean when do you ever hear about Mexicans resorting to drug related violence.
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Here's a report on how local government's reliance on fines are impacting the poor of St. Louis County. Noteworthy is the fact that having a local government and police force that is representative of the community by itself is no panacea to abusive police practices.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...-from-poverty/
Hey, if you can't pad the budget with fines, why not just seize it?

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Cash seizures can be made under state or federal civil law. One of the primary ways police departments are able to seize money and share in the proceeds at the federal level is through a long-standing Justice Department civil asset forfeiture program known as Equitable Sharing. Asset forfeiture is an extraordinarily powerful law enforcement tool that allows the government to take cash and property without pressing criminal charges and then requires the owners to prove their possessions were legally acquired.

The practice has been controversial since its inception at the height of the drug war more than three decades ago, and its abuses have been the subject of journalistic exposés and congressional hearings. But unexplored until now is the role of the federal government and the private police trainers in encouraging officers to target cash on the nation’s highways since 9/11.

“Those laws were meant to take a guy out for selling $1 million in cocaine or who was trying to launder large amounts of money,” said Mark Overton, the police chief in Bal Harbour, Fla., who once oversaw a federal drug task force in South Florida. “It was never meant for a street cop to take a few thousand dollars from a driver by the side of the road.”
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Update.

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An exclusive video first broadcast Wednesday on CNN shows two construction workers' reactions just after a police officer shot the unarmed African-American 18-year-old last month in Ferguson, Missouri. The contractors shown in the short video clip told CNN they saw Brown with his hands up as Officer Darren Wilson pursued him and opened fire.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/11/us/fer...ses/index.html


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The cop didn't say get on the ground. He just kept shooting," the man said.
That same witness described the gruesome scene, saying he saw Brown's "brains come out of his head," again stating, "his hands were up."
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The other contractor told CNN he saw Brown running away from a police car.
Brown "put his hands up," the construction worker said, and "the officer was chasing him."
The contractor says he saw Wilson fire a shot at Brown while his back was turned.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5801330.html

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