I honestly didnt think it would be possible for people to show up and defend the police in this video. I'm left speechless. What absolute lemmings you are.
edit: going to expand on that a little as not to seem like its a drive by. the burden of proof is shifted by this video on to the police. in this video we appear to see the entire interaction between police and him, yes, we dont know that there isnt more. that's the thing though we dont really need to know that. what could have possibly transpired before this to make the police actions ok? did he shout to them "hey crackers, after I talk to this shop keeper im going to blow up the building". hes calming talking to someone then startled by the police. keeping his hands up. until second cop rushes in and starts the beat down. for no apparent reason.
for those suggesting maybe he wasnt really cooperating, well, prove it. the video shows he was. what on earth could he possibly have said to warrant such an attack? and so what if he wasnt immediately getting his hands behind his back or obeying a command. this isn't a prison camp in cuba. talking to the police with your hands up should never result in a beating.
the default position some posters seem to take is that the citizens in these videos are guilty until provent innocent. its ass backwards. furthermore, the police should be held to the higher standard, NOT citizens. the police have the power and authority to do a lot of things with our civil liberty in order to protect us. that means they should be held to account in the same fashion.
I honestly didnt think it would be possible for people to show up and defend the police in this video. I'm left speechless. What absolute lemmings you are.
edit: going to expand on that a little as not to seem like its a drive by. the burden of proof is shifted by this video on to the police. in this video we appear to see the entire interaction between police and him, yes, we dont know that there isnt more. that's the thing though we dont really need to know that. what could have possibly transpired before this to make the police actions ok? did he shout to them "hey crackers, after I talk to this shop keeper im going to blow up the building". hes calming talking to someone then startled by the police. keeping his hands up. until second cop rushes in and starts the beat down. for no apparent reason.
for those suggesting maybe he wasnt really cooperating, well, prove it. the video shows he was. what on earth could he possibly have said to warrant such an attack? and so what if he wasnt immediately getting his hands behind his back or obeying a command. this isn't a prison camp in cuba. talking to the police with your hands up should never result in a beating.
the default position some posters seem to take is that the citizens in these videos are guilty until provent innocent. its ass backwards. furthermore, the police should be held to the higher standard, NOT citizens. the police have the power and authority to do a lot of things with our civil liberty in order to protect us. that means they should be held to account in the same fashion.
I want to agree with everything you're saying and generally in most cases I do. But the video obviously shows the cop yelling instructions at the guy for about 15 seconds, that's three really good chances for the guy to comply. The guy's hands are not really up for most of that time, his palms are facing up as if asking "what's the problem...what did I do?".
Your proof is at 18 seconds when the cop actually makes a move to grab the guy's hand and he pulls it away. That's an aggressive move. At that point you're going to see a physical confrontation nine times out of ten. The guy is actually really big too, much taller and more muscular than the cops. That said, I still don't like super cop going crazy on him.
Here's what the cops did correctly, they realized it was a minor offense and approached correctly without guns. 9/10ths of this thread is about scaredy cops pulling guns and shooting innocent people. Here, they are doing what people are asking of them.
They obviously gave a series of commands to the guy. They might have just been chitty chatting but I doubt it.
What they did incorrectly was not giving him another chance to comply when the second cop arrived. If the second cop was on the scene for another 10-15 seconds and the guy still didn't comply, then I'm 100% ok with the rest.
The annoying part is the guy will probably be charged with assaulting officers which I think is bs. And being called a lemming.
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Just a bit of an update...the call was a little more serious than stolen pizza...
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The criminal complaint alleges the unidentified man pulled out a switchblade knife, told the employee that he wasn’t paying and both men fled with the pizza and salt-and-pepper shakers. The employee called 911 and reported the food joint had been robbed
There's the back story you can't see in the video. Also, it's Bedford Stuys, not the best neighborhood for cops in NYC. Cops do not presume innocence; if they did, no one would ever get arrested. But even so, the guy deserved another 15 seconds to do what he was being told.
Also interesting, the cop has one previous excessive force complaint. Probably time for an extended vacation.
And the guy also has a few conviction for domestic violence etc.
The cop came in and punched him in the face and then they wailed on him while they were trying to cuff him. We KNOW that because that's what is on the video.
It's right there. You watched it. You even suggested "steroids might have caused him to rage".
Confirmation bias indeed.
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1) Why on earth was she still in jail 2 days later?.
2) Why on earth would she strangle herself to death with a garbage bag that shouldn't be there in the first place?.
Totally disgraceful not just on the idiot cop but on the whole department. I see an epic lawsuit in the near future. "maybe even a murder charge"
Everything is fine until the officer goes back to his car and runs her license and sees she has a lengthy history of traffic violations, including a DUI - at that point the cop has the duty to insure that she is not intoxicated. Here is the full video and not one that is selective to fit a particular view point or opinion. The officer never her gave her a ticket for the traffic violation she was in jail for assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest and her family refused to help her pay the bond to get out of jail. It's also reported that she attempted suicide in 2014. I think here the officer did a poor job of communication his intentions.
She also had pot possession charge - Knowing that it makes sense why he asked her to put out the smoke, lots of people who smoke pot in there cars will try and mask the smell by smoking a cigarette. The officer has a duty to make sure she isn't driving under the influence. I do question his delivery
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The cop came in and punched him in the face and then they wailed on him while they were trying to cuff him. We KNOW that because that's what is on the video.
It's right there. You watched it. You even suggested "steroids might have caused him to rage".
Confirmation bias indeed.
No braaah - just facts and like i said need some sound to formulate a better "opinion"
and yes the sucker punch may have been a bit much, but I am assuming you have had to restrain people in the past many times and would know how hard that is. Because of that sometimes officers can go overboard.
Police officers in Cincinnati appear to have corroborated a false account of the fatal shooting of Samuel DuBose in the immediate aftermath of the incident, a detailed analysis of body-camera video released on Wednesday shows.
DuBose, an unarmed 43-year-old black man, was shot dead by white University of Cincinnati police officer Ray Tensing on 19 July. The officer claimed he was “dragged” by DuBose’s vehicle following an altercation during a routine traffic stop, and was therefore forced to open fire, shooting DuBose once in the head.
On Wednesday, Tensing was indicted for murder after Hamilton County prosecutor Joseph Deters said body-camera footage, which he released at a press conference announcing the charge, showed the officer was not dragged during the encounter.
“It is our belief that he was not dragged. If you slow down this tape you see what happens, it is a very short period of time from when the car starts rolling to when a gun is out and he’s shot in the head,” Deters told reporters on Wednesday.
'Senseless' and 'asinine': prosecutor's words on Samuel DuBose killing a win for reformers
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The footage shows that Tensing falls back, after DuBose is killed instantly by a single shot to the head and immediately chases after the vehicle. Deters said that DuBose’s limp body probably caused the car to accelerate.
A Guardian analysis of the nearly 28 minutes’ worth of Tensing’s body-camera footage released by the prosecutor’s office also shows the aftermath of the shooting and reveals that on three occasions, two other police officers repeat Tensing’s account that he was dragged by DuBose, and one of these officers claims to have witnessed it occurring.
Full 28 minute body cam footage.
Nsfw.
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Why wasn't Dubose following orders? Why was there a bottle of gin in the car? Why wasn't the front of his car tagged? Why did you try to flee? Why was he driving with a suspended license?
