Nope nothing specific, as I said it reads, which means I could be way off (I hope I am).
As you know tone is difficult to evoke in the written/type realm.
Yeah, my personal feeling on these police threads is that there is a complexity to the "sides" people take that we as a group kind of ignore in our bid to "call eachother out" for being pro/anti police.
That complexity mostly comes from this being a Canadian message board, and most of our stories being American. I think some Canadian, pro-police posters tend to be thinking of Canadian law enforcement (which is among the best in the world) when defending police.
I get more worked about police issues than almost anything else, and often get labelled as an anti-police guy as I have zero tolerance for injustice, yet if you ask jar_e or look at my post history, I'm more supportive of Calgary/Canadian police than most people out there.
Kind of like how CaptainCrunch gets worked up over criminals/crime and gets into revenge fantasies and passionately calls for the toughest punishment while declaring any possible extenuating circumstances for the criminal to be ignored, I'm the same way only with injustice served by police.
I believe law enforcement breaking the rules when they've been given some of the highest authority/power in the land is one of the worst things that can happen in a free country, it's appaling to me, and so I get frustrated when I see certain posters like Bent Wookie/UndergradFlame and others that see anything negative toward police and go on the defense trying to justify every wrong and chastise anyone who shows anger/disgust at police injustices.
That's why I really appreciate jar_e's contributions to police matters. He's in that world, yet he doesn't go into these threads with "must defend all cops everywhere" attitude. He'll just post relevant info if anyone has any facts wrong, but isn't looking to blindly defend police actions like law enforcement is a team game.
If anything I'm surprised that anyone in law enforcement would be looking to defend police all the time. If you're an upstanding member of law enforcement and care about the reputation of police officers everywhere, wouldn't you want to be all over any injustices as they negatively affect people's perception?
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That's why I really appreciate jar_e's contributions to police matters. He's in that world, yet he doesn't go into these threads with "must defend all cops everywhere" attitude. He'll just post relevant info if anyone has any facts wrong, but isn't looking to blindly defend police actions like law enforcement is a team game.
If anything I'm surprised that anyone in law enforcement would be looking to defend police all the time. If you're an upstanding member of law enforcement and care about the reputation of police officers everywhere, wouldn't you want to be all over any injustices as they negatively affect people's perception?
Sure you would. But a lot of people don't understand how/why an officer may look at something, so they apply their bias to it. When it comes to violence, for example...when was the last time 'you' were in a physical fight? And yet cops may get into one every other day. So they are more used to it, and what it looks like. Someone who knows a bit more about law enforcement may try to explain how an officer saw something, and they are accused of being on the "injustice lovers/police defenders" side without anyone actually thinking about it from the different perspective.
The most recent pool video, for example...want to know what I thought what I looked at it?
The dive-roll that everyone's mocking? The cop tripped and fell, rolled and recovered to prevent injury to himself.
The language...yeah, he should have tried to watch that. Using bad language in a situation when you are trying to control it generally doesn't help.
Might have been a bit rough with the girl in the bikini, but she was not listening and doing what he was asking (to get onto the ground) as well as he's got 4-5 folks 'dancing' around him he has to keep an eye on.
Pulled his gun. Don't blame him. He sensed a threat, and a lot of law-enforcement folks who saw the video saw the same threat he did. The gun was brought out, ready for use, and not pointed at anyone (it was pointed at the ground) Notice how as soon as it was identified there was NO threat, the gun was put away?
So I look at that and see a bit of a push. The cop was letting things get to him, and that showed. It comes out now that he'd been to two suicide calls just before that one, and now he's facing down nearly 10-1 odds with a bunch of lippy, misbehaving teenagers who are ignoring him.
Did he react with 100% stellar actions? Not at all. Is what happened a firing/resigning offense? Not in my opinion. What he seems to have needed was about a half hour between the last suicide call and this one, to get himself back in order.
And as I've mentioned previously...some of the stuff I've seen coming out of the U.S. in regards to police and actions scares me. I'm very glad to be in Canada, and in Calgary with the police force we have here.
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I don't know, you look all of the other cops in the video, and I think it's pretty hard to defend this guy. They were pretty calm and composed, and it just took this one guy to escalate things way, way past where they needed to be. It's pretty hard to argue context when the other cops were in the exact same situation and reacted completely differently.
I get labeled as anti-cop too, which I think is pretty funny. I think I'm just anti-dissentowner.
I don't know, you look all of the other cops in the video, and I think it's pretty hard to defend this guy. They were pretty calm and composed, and it just took this one guy to escalate things way, way past where they needed to be. It's pretty hard to argue context when the other cops were in the exact same situation and reacted completely differently.
I get labeled as anti-cop too, which I think is pretty funny. I think I'm just anti-dissentowner.
Yeah, I don't think that the cop in the vid is handling the situation very well. However, I also understand he was the first on the scene, and the other cops were trickling in (eventually they had 11 other cops there). So...was the situation handled in the best way possible? Very clearly not. Is it something he should be fired/resigned over? I don't think so.
Yeah, my personal feeling on these police threads is that there is a complexity to the "sides" people take that we as a group kind of ignore in our bid to "call eachother out" for being pro/anti police.
I think this is bang on.
There is no discussion in these types of threads, there is no room for a counter point.
Listen, I am like you. If an officer has acted incorrectly then he/she should be dealt with accordingly. That being said they should be allowed the same process that other are allowed.
My point is that some posts read as "see another example of why I am right to dislike the police".
Texas police officials have released controversial dashcam video showing the July 10 traffic stop that led to the arrest of Sandra Bland, an African-American woman who died three days later in custody, in a case that has sparked outrage in the US.
Following the release of the video on Tuesday, however, many social media users were quick to comment that the video appears to lack continuity and seems to loop, indicating the supplied footage was edited prior to release.
The fast-escalating footage shows Texas state trooper Brian Encinia engage in a shouting confrontation with Bland and attempting to drag her out of her car, before drawing his stun gun and threatening to "light her up."
Days after the roadside encounter, Bland was found dead in her jail cell. Authorities say she killed herself — but her family and supporters have strongly refuted the claims, insisting she was optimistic and looking forward to a new job.
The director of the Oscar-winning film Selma, Ava DuVernay, was among many who speculated that the dashcam footage had been altered.
Cop sounds like a real piece of work, too.
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Out of the camera's view, Bland goes on protesting her arrest, repeatedly using expletives and calling the officer a "#####." Bland can then be heard screaming: "You're about to break my wrist, stop! … You're a real man now, you just slammed me, knocked my head into the ground, I got epilepsy, you mother####er."
Ya there is a cell phone vid out last week of this too. Unfortunately, Every time the cops look at him taping he pointed the phone away at the end of that footage the cops go " were you just ####ing taping us"
A grocery store surveillance video shows a young black man holding his hands up in surrender before two New York police officers start pounding him in the head over the suspected theft of a $3 slice of pizza.
why does it take 2 cops beating the #### out of a surrendering guy to bring him down??
I like how the first cop is being pretty calm about the whole thing, and then Mr. TapOut comes barreling in and slams the guy's face on the counter and the first cop just kinda looks and is like "What? Oh Yeah! Beat down! Get my nightstick! Eat it!"
There are lots of videos out there of guys going from hands in the air to pulling out a gun or turning and running (I know you can't run far in a store). It looks to me like the guy is not doing what the one cop is telling him to do. You can still disobey a direct order with your hands in the air. I'm not loving crazy cop trying to be a tough guy, but it's not like he just shot him in the face either.
There are lots of videos out there of guys going from hands in the air to pulling out a gun or turning and running (I know you can't run far in a store). It looks to me like the guy is not doing what the one cop is telling him to do. You can still disobey a direct order with your hands in the air. I'm not loving crazy cop trying to be a tough guy, but it's not like he just shot in the face either.
Has it gotten to the point where that's the line for terrible police conduct?
"Well, we beat the s*** out of this unarmed guy with his hands in the air, but at least we didn't shoot him in the face! Win."
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Has it gotten to the point where that's the line for terrible police conduct?
"Well, we beat the s*** out of this unarmed guy with his hands in the air, but at least we didn't shoot him in the face! Win."
No at all but it does look to me like the guy isn't doing what the cop is asking him to do. Standing there with your hands up isn't the end of your surrender. I'm sure he's being told to get on the ground, turn around, put his hands on his head or something, and he's not doing it. That's a problem. Just standing there is still a threat and still a danger to the guy too. If he drops his hands, scratches his head, or makes any sudden move he is in real danger of getting shot. There are 139k videos on youtube of cops shooting people with their hands up. Happens all the time. I'm thinking the "win" is that the cops didn't have their guns out, gave the guy a chance and then went a bit crazy. That is a win these days. And I'm still not saying crazy cop is right.
I honestly didnt think it would be possible for people to show up and defend the police in this video. I'm left speechless. What absolute lemmings you are.
edit: going to expand on that a little as not to seem like its a drive by. the burden of proof is shifted by this video on to the police. in this video we appear to see the entire interaction between police and him, yes, we dont know that there isnt more. that's the thing though we dont really need to know that. what could have possibly transpired before this to make the police actions ok? did he shout to them "hey crackers, after I talk to this shop keeper im going to blow up the building". hes calming talking to someone then startled by the police. keeping his hands up. until second cop rushes in and starts the beat down. for no apparent reason.
for those suggesting maybe he wasnt really cooperating, well, prove it. the video shows he was. what on earth could he possibly have said to warrant such an attack? and so what if he wasnt immediately getting his hands behind his back or obeying a command. this isn't a prison camp in cuba. talking to the police with your hands up should never result in a beating.
the default position some posters seem to take is that the citizens in these videos are guilty until provent innocent. its ass backwards. furthermore, the police should be held to the higher standard, NOT citizens. the police have the power and authority to do a lot of things with our civil liberty in order to protect us. that means they should be held to account in the same fashion.
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