Police shooting of unarmed teen leads to protests and Riot

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by V

I just watched the video and there are a couple of times where a couple of the cops seemed embarrassed of the crazy cop. Probably good guys trying to do their job, but then the one cop lost control of the situation, and the other cops had to try to deal with it then. Too bad, but this is a pretty good video at showing good police work, and the not so good. Although that was a pretty sweet roll.

There were 12 cops involved in the fracas...and we get to see an 8 minute vid of 1 acting like a nutter...

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

The trouble seems to have started when racial slurs being tossed around. Then the adult throwing out the slurs fights a teen because of it .

http://wgntv.com/2015/06/08/teen-spe...l-party-video/

Here's a discussion with Brandon Brooks, the teen who shot the video. In the first minute he says that the security guard told him and his friends to leave...and they didn't. He seems surprisingly unaware that he was trespassing with his friends. In any case, he was white and was asked to leave all the same because he didn't have a pass, lending credence to Embry's point-of-view. Considering there's undisputed evidence that the teens were trespassing, were asked to leave, and didn't, I'm not sure we can blame this solely on the white adults starting it like you've said....

Of course a 'couple' teens trespassing in a pool shouldn't solicit an officer pulling out a gun. He clearly lost control of the situation and is unfit for police work. And Brooks may not be wrong in his assessment that the officer was racial profiling.

[puffnstuff]

So the teen that shot the video was asked to leave and didnt. So he would be a trespasser but wasnt detained by the police or asked to sit on the ground or handcuffed. He was allowed to wander around and film the goings on though.
Oh I know why now, it says hes white.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

So the teen that shot the video was asked to leave and didnt. So he would be a trespasser but wasnt detained by the police or asked to sit on the ground or handcuffed. He was allowed to wander around and film the goings on though.
Oh I know why now, it says hes white.

Possibly. Like I said, the cop may have been racial profiling. My argument was with combustiblefuel saying it was white adults who started it when it was a bunch of teens who broke the law.

But if you watch the video, there was dozens of black teens not handcuffed as well though. Some are saying that the officers chased those who ran, there's even a discussion with one of the more reasonable officers talking to a group about not running from the police at the start of the clip.

One of the black adults, Benet Embry, who was there has been adamant that their was no racial motivations:

Oh, I say and I say it again, ya been had! Ya been took! Ya been hoodwinked! Bamboozled! Led astray! Run amok! MediaTakeout.com posts a story showing only 7 minutes of a 30 minute ordeal, makes it racial and all the activist come a running. Look, I LIVE in this community and this ENTIRE incident is NOT racial at all. A few THUGS spoiled a COMMUNITY event by fighting, jumping over fences into a PRIVATE pool, harassing and damaging property. Not EVERYTHING is about RACE. WE have other issuses [sic] that NEED our attention other flights of made up make believe causes.

Out-of-hand party gets busted, officers chase down those who run. 99.9999999% of the time this goes unnoticed regardless of race. This time there just happens to be an incompetent officer who decides it's a good idea to pull his gun out in the vicinity of a bunch of kids.

[Winnie]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

We get it your in some way assosiated with law enforcement and your offended that people don't agree with their actions which is why you only ever come in the thread to defend them in everycase always dont say anything else but just this.

I must be associated with law enforcement to support them? You tried that one before. Using the same logic, it must mean that you must be in some way associated with crime to attack them so much.

Maybe I misread your statement above, but are you seriously calling me out for constantly taking one side of the debate. I had to chuckle at that. Oh, the irony.

I get it. You're not a fan of the police. You've made that abundantly clear. This thread was created to express that dislike and you've worked hard at it. Good on you, you're entitled to your opinion. But when you take such a blatantly one-sided stance on an issue, you can't get all whiny when someone argues the other side. That would be hypocritical.

With that said, I understand that you don't want this thread to be a debate, but more just a place for people who share your ideas. Maybe start a club.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Winnie

I must be associated with law enforcement to support them? You tried that one before. Using the same logic, it must mean that you must be in some way associated with crime to attack them so much.

Maybe I misread your statement above, but are you seriously calling me out for constantly taking one side of the debate. I had to chuckle at that. Oh, the irony.

I get it. You're not a fan of the police. You've made that abundantly clear. This thread was created to express that dislike and you've worked hard at it. Good on you, you're entitled to your opinion. But when you take such a blatantly one-sided stance on an issue, you can't get all whiny when someone argues the other side. That would be hypocritical.

With that said, I understand that you don't want this thread to be a debate, but more just a place for people who share your ideas. Maybe start a club.

Its fine to debate. I don't dislike all cops. I have a problem with how common it has become to see the people hired to protect us become our abusers .

The issue I had with your stement was bolded. Maybe I miss understood but it seemed arrogant and flip.

[V]

Originally Posted by Winnie

Maybe I misread your statement above, but are you seriously calling me out for constantly taking one side of the debate. I had to chuckle at that. Oh, the irony.

Yeah, that's pretty funny. He really shouldn't be calling anyone out for one-sided viewpoints.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by Winnie

I must be associated with law enforcement to support them? You tried that one before. Using the same logic, it must mean that you must be in some way associated with crime to attack them so much.

Maybe I misread your statement above, but are you seriously calling me out for constantly taking one side of the debate. I had to chuckle at that. Oh, the irony.

I get it. You're not a fan of the police. You've made that abundantly clear. This thread was created to express that dislike and you've worked hard at it. Good on you, you're entitled to your opinion. But when you take such a blatantly one-sided stance on an issue, you can't get all whiny when someone argues the other side. That would be hypocritical.

With that said, I understand that you don't want this thread to be a debate, but more just a place for people who share your ideas. Maybe start a club.

This thread wasn't made to express a dislike of police, but instead to me is an expression of the higher standard to which they should be held.

I don't know about you, but I like to think about it in terms of justice. Not policing, but justice. When the police uphold the ideals of law and justice, I honestly appreciate their service. When policing becomes injustice, however, it should be discussed.

[Winnie]

Originally Posted by Knalus

I don't know about you, but I like to think about it in terms of justice. Not policing, but justice. When the police uphold the ideals of law and justice, I honestly appreciate their service. When policing becomes injustice, however, it should be discussed.

Fully agree Knalus. The good work that cops do should be appreciated, and the instances of injustice should be discussed and rooted out.

Unfortunately, that's not what this thread is all about, and my statement above was referring to the nature of this thread and directly to the OP.

I could have missed the posts where certain posters have been genuinely appreciative of the good work that most cops do. Sorry, but I don't count someone saying "hey, I don't hate all cops" in that category. For the posters who consistently post hostility and negativity towards all police, it's hard for me to believe that their motivation is simply to 'hold police to a higher standard'.

Like you said, instances of injustice should be discussed and placed in context. However, when they are used solely as ammunition for someone to try and paint all police with the same brush, that's where the problem starts. This is the case for a few of the 'regulars' on this thread.

I'm all for justice and for those who want to discuss the problems. I'm just not a big fan of police haters using the 'search for justice' argument as an excuse to attack police every chance they get.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Knalus

This thread wasn't made to express a dislike of police, but instead to me is an expression of the higher standard to which they should be held.

I don't know if you can quite say that when this thread was created with regards to the Michael Brown and Ferguson situation. Multiple people in the first couple pages were quick to call the situation an execution, the officer a murder and parrot the "shot in the back" story before any evidence was presented in court.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I don't know if you can quite say that when this thread was created with regards to the Michael Brown and Ferguson situation. Multiple people in the first couple pages were quick to call the situation an execution, the officer a murder and parrot the "shot in the back" story before any evidence was presented in court.

Unfortunately theere was no court to present evidence in. Only a garand jury where less then 25 % of jurors had to disagree with even charging officer Wilson. They only needed 3 of 12 jurors to not want to indict. Top that off with a DA that acted like he was Wilsons lawyer of coarse yhe court of the public opinion will step in.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by V

Yeah, that's pretty funny. He really shouldn't be calling anyone out for one-sided viewpoints.

Did you both miss my regular posts about me being me and my friends being in the military and the fact that its disgusting to us that cops have more freedom then any one of us would have in a ####ing War zone?? Too many people here in N.A blindly accept the state of of our police force and the justice system as it is. We turn on our various devices and watch/read the news and see how much better we have it here then most of the rest of the world. We just accept this standard of justice because we figure its not as bad as it could be like in that x country we saw on the news earlier that day.

Because I disagree with people that are supporting actions of officers that have video evidence they broke the law and brutilized people in there own countries? This is not an invading force terrorising these people in these cases . These are American's oppressing American's


One sided veiw seems to be a bit of a cop out to simplify and demean the validity of my point. Their have been stories posted here where I have agreed with the officers actuons and have said I appreciated what they do due to my past.

I have expressed that in these particular cases presented that have video evidence and have reason beyond doubt that the officer over stepped his authorities.

I volunteer in 2 different police officer charities here in Victoria. 1 Rcmp and 1 local precinct. 2 of my best friends from basic are now cops. I am regularly raising funds along the side of cops.

Don't get it twisted that because I don't like these criminals and bigots masquerading as Officers of the law that I don't respect and appreciate the officers that can conduct their job in lawful and professional way.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by driveway

I'm actually curious about this, could you point to a war where this strategy worked?

Captured Nazi pows.

The Americans regularly took nazi pows( that would have important info)back to some small town somewhere in Americas heartland and tried to befriend them to get them to talk. They would drink with them , feed them steak and fish you know just normal #### that you and your friends would do on a regular basis. It's the only instance that comes to mind but they got more useful info this way then torturing.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Knalus

This thread wasn't made to express a dislike of police, but instead to me is an expression of the higher standard to which they should be held.

I don't know about you, but I like to think about it in terms of justice. Not policing, but justice. When the police uphold the ideals of law and justice, I honestly appreciate their service. When policing becomes injustice, however, it should be discussed.

Well the thread was actually created on Furguson.

The majority of the stories here now have focused on police brutality on minorites and the discrepancy of actions police they take with relation to race of the suspect.

Sometimes it it gets of topic tho

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Captured Nazi pows.

The Americans regularly took nazi pows( that would have important info)back to some small town somewhere in Americas heartland and tried to befriend them to get them to talk. They would drink with them , feed them steak and fish you know just normal #### that you and your friends would do on a regular basis. It's the only instance that comes to mind but they got more useful info this way then torturing.

I would say pretty much any time there is lasting peace after a social or political change, it is because the new ruling power wins the hearts and minds of most of the people they defeated. There will always be individuals and groups that don't buy in of course. Just like there will always be racist people.

Violence tends to have the opposite long term effect, whether it is a conventional war or a class war like this one.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Unfortunately theere was no court to present evidence

That's because they presented the grand jury with expert testimony, coroner reports and witness accounts. The narrative that he was shot at far range, in the back with his hands up didn't hold true when there was proof he was shot at close range, in the front with his hands down and the 'star' witnesses couldn't keep their stories straight. There was never a chance it was going to go to trial.

The issue is that when it comes to you the cops are guilty until proven innocent and then you post that the evidence doesn't even count.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

That's because they presented the grand jury with expert testimony, coroner reports and witness accounts. The narrative that he was shot at far range, in the back with his hands up didn't hold true when there was proof he was shot at close range, in the front with his hands down and the 'star' witnesses couldn't keep their stories straight. There was never a chance it was going to go to trial.

The issue is that when it comes to you the cops are guilty until proven innocent and then you post that the evidence doesn't even count.

Sadly, I find this as well. Some of the posts read as almost gleeful.

[Winnie]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Did you both miss my regular posts about me being me and my friends being in the military and the fact that its disgusting to us that cops have more freedom then any one of us would have in a ####ing War zone?? Too many people here in N.A blindly accept the state of of our police force and the justice system as it is. We turn on our various devices and watch/read the news and see how much better we have it here then most of the rest of the world. We just accept this standard of justice because we figure its not as bad as it could be like in that x country we saw on the news earlier that day.

Because I disagree with people that are supporting actions of officers that have video evidence they broke the law and brutilized people in there own countries? This is not an invading force terrorising these people in these cases . These are American's oppressing American's


One sided veiw seems to be a bit of a cop out to simplify and demean the validity of my point. Their have been stories posted here where I have agreed with the officers actuons and have said I appreciated what they do due to my past.

I have expressed that in these particular cases presented that have video evidence and have reason beyond doubt that the officer over stepped his authorities.

I volunteer in 2 different police officer charities here in Victoria. 1 Rcmp and 1 local precinct. 2 of my best friends from basic are now cops. I am regularly raising funds along the side of cops.

Don't get it twisted that because I don't like these criminals and bigots masquerading as Officers of the law that I don't respect and appreciate the officers that can conduct their job in lawful and professional way.

No. I didn't miss the posts where you responded to criticism by telling us about somewhere you worked in the past. You seem to like doing that. Where you may have worked in the past doesn't validate or justify anything you have posted. It actually makes the disrespect and hostility all the more surprising.

You can't post the kind of consistent negativity and hostility that you have in this thread and then when you're called out claim that you don't dislike cops and are appreciative of the work they do. That's completely laughable. You even trotted out the "I don't hate cops, some of my best friends are cops" line. That is gold.

You also can't claim that you have balanced your criticisms of police in this thread with appreciation when it's warranted. Again, laughable. If you're unable to see that, then maybe show your cop friends everything you've posted and the tone in which it has been posted and see if they can find some 'appreciation'. I don't expect you do that though, because even if they do disagree with you it will only be because they're involved with law enforcement. That also seems like a go-to rebuttal for you.

Like your statement above, you constantly backtrack to the argument that all you're doing is showing 'particular cases' of police injustice. That's not what you do in this thread. You use those 'particular cases' to try and paint all police that way. To say otherwise is BS. If anything, your military past should give you a bit of perspective here. You do realize that there are plenty of instances of soldiers going rogue too, right? Would I be exhibiting my 'appreciation' of soldiers by making a thread that highlighted all of their transgressions and then claiming that it proves that everyone in the military is the same? Would it be balanced if I only showed videos of soldiers going rogue and claiming that this is all they do, while never mentioning or honouring all the other soldiers who are risking their lives and sacrificing every day.That's what you do in this thread.

Then you argue that stating that someone has a one-sided view is just a way of 'demeaning the validity of their point'. Did I miss something? You're the one that threw that argument at me, so I'm not even sure how to respond to that. I'm starting to understand the futility of rational discussion here.

Your posts and tone make it very obvious what you're all about, regardless of whether you backpedal every 100th post or try to hide your contempt by claiming you're just out for justice.

But maybe you are everything you claim to be and just don't understand how you're approach comes across. If you do have appreciation and respect for police, you have a very awkward way of expressing it. Even if it's just for your best friends' sake, you should understand that you come across as someone who just hates cops. At the very least, even if you do hate cops, understand that your approach doesn't help your cause - whatever it might be. It just makes it easier for people dismiss you entirely, even though there is validity in focusing on true instances of police injustice and dealing with the bad apples.

Anyhoo, this is obviously something that hits a nerve with me and I've already belabored my point. I don't expect anything to change in this thread, so I'll let you guys have at it.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sadly, I find this as well. Some of the posts read as almost gleeful.

Have any examples of this? I haven't really noticed anything like that myself.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Have any examples of this? I haven't really noticed anything like that myself.

Nope nothing specific, as I said it reads, which means I could be way off (I hope I am).

As you know tone is difficult to evoke in the written/type realm.