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Old 06-09-2015, 06:32 AM   #2361
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re: violence vs. non-violence...

Just like in a war, winning the hearts and minds is what eventually wins.
I'm actually curious about this, could you point to a war where this strategy worked?
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Old 06-09-2015, 04:41 PM   #2362
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The cops were called originally because urban youth were trespassing through people's yards, staying uninvited at a pool party, and picking a fight with a suburban white lady.

Not to mention one of the youth's was reaching for the officers gun... real smart
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Old 06-09-2015, 04:57 PM   #2363
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More on the story. It appears the White adults started the fighting with the black kids using racial slurs and yhrew the first punches. The black kids were from this neighborhood not from section 8 housing.

Video of what started the whole event. Adult attacks one of the teenagers. In link

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7536218.html

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Burks, who is black, said she was the sole adult supervisor of her daughter’s event. She left momentarily to grab more materials for the party -- and returned to chaos.
“When I left, a 14-year-old girl named Grace had gotten into an argument with two caucasian women,” Burks told HuffPost on Monday. “My daughter came to me and said that the security guard told all the African American people to leave.”
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“[Grace] stuck up for us saying ‘that’s not right, you shouldn’t do that, that’s racist,’” Rhodes said.
Rhodes details the exchange in the video, explaining that the women began “verbally abusing” Stone and used profanity. Rhodes interjected and told the women they shouldn’t say such hurtful words to a 14-year-old. In response, Rhodes says the women told her to “go back where you’re from.”
“I said ‘Excuse me?’” Rhodes said. It was then, she says, that one of the women approached her and hit her in the face. The other woman then joined the attack, Rhodes said.
The incident was recorded by 15-year-old Miles Jai Thomas, who posted the video to his Twitter account. [/QUOTE]


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Tatiana Rose, who lives in the Craig Ranch neighborhood and hosted the party with her siblings, said a woman and man who live in the neighborhood showed up and called their friends “black #####ers” and told them to return to their Section 8 housing.

[QUOTE]Rose said one of her younger brother’s friends — a white girl named Grace Stone — scolded the neighbors and told them it wasn’t right to use racial slurs.

“So then they started verbally abusing her, saying that she needs to do better for herself, cursing at her, and I’m saying, no that’s wrong – she’s 14, you should not say things like that to a 14-year-old,” Rose said.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/hund...arty-freakout/

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Hundreds marched through the Dallas-area city of McKinney on Monday calling for the firing of a police officer seen in a video throwing a bikini-clad teenage girl to the ground and pointing his pistol at other youths at a pool party disturbance.
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http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/mcki...public-outcry/

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McKinney, Texas police Cpl. Eric Casebolt resigned from his position on Tuesday, amid increasing calls for his ouster from the department, WFAA-TV reported.

City Attorney Jane Bishkin confirmed his resignation on Tuesday evening.
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Old 06-09-2015, 05:03 PM   #2364
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The cops were called originally because urban youth were trespassing through people's yards, staying uninvited at a pool party, and picking a fight with a suburban white lady.

Not to mention one of the youth's was reaching for the officers gun... real smart
Well that's certainly one way of looking at it.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015...arrested.html/

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McKinney Police Chief Greg Conley condemned as “indefensible” the actions of Eric Casebolt, an officer who resigned Tuesday, after a video of Casebolt physically confronting teenagers at a pool party attracted national attention.

Conley said at a news conference late Tuesday that Casebolt resigned “on his own will” while under investigation and will get to keep his pension and benefits.

“Our policies, our training and our practice do not support his actions,” Conley said. “He came into the call out of control and, as the video shows, was out of control during the incident.”

“I had 12 officers on the scene and 11 of them performed according to their training,” Conley added.
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Old 06-09-2015, 05:06 PM   #2365
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The cop is only resigning because of media pressure and the silly protests which is unfortunate. The witness' at the scene disagree with the police chief: http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/0...en-girl-ground
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The cop is only resigning because of media pressure and the silly protests which is unfortunate. The witness' at the scene disagree with the police chief: http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/0...en-girl-ground
Marks lost for fox link. It's not unfortunate at all the public pays for the police force. He did something wrong now he has to face the aftermath. There is nothing silly about the protsests. The Mayor and former police of Mckinnely have even said there was a difference gow they treated the minorities vs whites in the incident. The wgite adults who started it were not handcuffed or even talked to .

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Old 06-09-2015, 05:11 PM   #2367
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The cops were called originally because urban youth were trespassing through people's yards, staying uninvited at a pool party, and picking a fight with a suburban white lady.

Not to mention one of the youth's was reaching for the officers gun... real smart
I didn't see anyone reaching for his gun. I did see the youth (Blue Shirt shorts) make what I think looked like a pretty aggressive move at the cop, with that step or leap towards him, but that still doesn't allow the cop to pull his gun unless the youth was clearly holding a weapon.

I tend to think that it was more about the cop being hopped up on adrenaline in a situation that he had no control over.

In other words, he didn't do a very good job, and maybe he panicked.

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So we're allowed to post huffingtonpost and rawstory, but not Fox News. Lol I was like lol
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Update on an older story I posted 2 months ago.

The officer who shot Walter Scott in the back 8 times then planted his tazer next to him has been charge with murder.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p...ed-for-murder/

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The North Charleston, S.C., police officer who fatally shot Walter Scott as he fled a traffic stop this year was indicted by a grand jury Monday on a charge of murder.

This indictment comes two months after Michael Slager was charged with murder for shooting and killing Scott, an event recorded by a bystander’s cellphone and shared widely on cable news and social media. Slager was arrested April 7 and fired from the North Charleston Police Department.
This was the original footage for a reminder.

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So we're allowed to post huffingtonpost and rawstory, but not Fox News. Lol I was like lol
Go ahead. Fox is just known as a lying, misogynist and rasist news source thats all.
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Old 06-09-2015, 05:59 PM   #2372
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Go ahead. Fox is just known as a lying, misogynist and rasist news source thats all.
If FOX is a bunch of liars, what would you call NBC.

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Old 06-09-2015, 07:00 PM   #2373
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The wgite adults who started it were not handcuffed or even talked to .
For complaining about bias, you sure are quick to post your own.

Multiple adults at the pool, and even children attending the party, have said that the party getting out of hand was the reason the police were called. The community allows only 2 guests per resident so when more and more teens (by some accounts, more than 100) started showing up and were not allowed to enter by the guard, they started shoving to get through and jumping the fence.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/09/us/mck...deo/index.html
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He said when he was at the community pool Friday, a crowd of teenagers showed up, even though Craig Ranch's strict homeowners' association rules prohibit bringing more than two guests to the pool.

The teens huddled by the gate and shouted to let them in. Some jumped over the fence, Embry said. A security guard tried to get them to leave but was outnumbered, so the guard called police.

"Let me reiterate, the neighbors or the neighborhood did not call the police because this was an African-American party or whatever the situation is," he said. "This was not a racially motivated event -- at all. This whole thing is being blown completely out of proportion."
It doesn't seem to be in dispute that many of the teens were trespassing, and teen parties getting out of hand isn't unusual. So I don't know if we can place blame squarely on the whities for this one.

(Of course, if there were ladies saying anything racist, they are pieces of garbage.)

In a separate discussion is the officer's action. At best, I would say, he was incompetent...at best.
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If FOX is a bunch of liars, what would you call NBC.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...5jtS_blog.html

Well, still liars sometimes, but liars about 16% less often than Fox.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...-meter-scorec/

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The cops were called originally because urban youth were trespassing through people's yards, staying uninvited at a pool party, and picking a fight with a suburban white lady.
Ah yes, the "urban youth".

If I may use a a euphemism of my own, why are you too "chicken$hit" to say what you really mean? You aren't fooling anybody.
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For complaining about bias, you sure are quick to post your own.

Multiple adults at the pool, and even children attending the party, have said that the party getting out of hand was the reason the police were called. The community allows only 2 guests per resident so when more and more teens (by some accounts, more than 100) started showing up and were not allowed to enter by the guard, they started shoving to get through and jumping the fence.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/09/us/mck...deo/index.html


It doesn't seem to be in dispute that many of the teens were trespassing, and teen parties getting out of hand isn't unusual. So I don't know if we can place blame squarely on the whities for this one.

(Of course, if there were ladies saying anything racist, they are pieces of garbage.)

In a separate discussion is the officer's action. At best, I would say, he was incompetent...at best.
Thats fine cops might not of been racially motivated but thete seems to have some racial aspect in what lead to the chaos tho. Limits on guests is fine. The trouble seems to have started when racial slurs being tossed around. Then the adult throwing out the slurs fights a teen because of it .

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The trouble seems to have started when racial slurs being tossed around.
Based on many more accounts the problem was a group of dozens of teens trying to get into a party that they weren't allowed to after it was posted on twitter.

A couple people have accused some ladies of being racist, more seemed to have accuse the cops of racial profiling. That may be the case and those are certainly not minor details.

However, it seems that, from witness accounts, that the 'disturbance' was the 70-100 teens that showed up without permission. Maybe the 911 call, if it exists, would shed a different light. But your statement that "white adults who started it" is nothing but it's own racist bias.
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Thats fine cops might not of been racially motivated but thete seems to have some racial aspect in what lead to the chaos tho. Limits on guests is fine. The trouble seems to have started when racial slurs being tossed around. Then the adult throwing out the slurs fights a teen because of it .
So wait, the cops might not have been racially motivated now? The whole point of posting this video is to show how racist the cops are and their actions might not have been racially motivated? Oopsy daisy. As always, no point in letting the facts get in the way in this thread.
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I just watched the video and there are a couple of times where a couple of the cops seemed embarrassed of the crazy cop. Probably good guys trying to do their job, but then the one cop lost control of the situation, and the other cops had to try to deal with it then. Too bad, but this is a pretty good video at showing good police work, and the not so good. Although that was a pretty sweet roll.
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[QUOTE=Winnie;5325332]So wait, the cops might not have been racially motivated now? The whole point of posting this video is to show how racist the cops are and their actions might not have been racially motivated? Oopsy daisy.As always, no point in letting the facts get in the way in this thread./QUOTE]

We get it your in some way assosiated with law enforcement and your offended that people don't agree with their actions which is why you only ever come in the thread to defend them in everycase always dont say anything else but just this.

Anyways your entitled to your opinion but dont try to trat me like an uninformed idiot to how the police work. Ive mentioned before I do some work within B.C human rights complaints. Sometimes cops go rogue, police do racially profile etc. Not all cops do but you can't ignore these when videos every couple of days come out showing they have. All those cops in the video may have not been motivated by racial means but that ONE seems to be treating the minorities veey differently even the Mayor/Police Chief and ex McKinnley police offers noted the differnce this police officer treated white vs black.

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