When they do work, all they do is 'harass' and 'profile'. When they don't work, they are letting the community fall to ####.
Pick one.
How about a third option:
They actually start doing their jobs the right way, instead of pretending that bullying and breaking the law is an integral and necessary part of policing.
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They actually start doing their jobs the right way, instead of pretending that bullying and breaking the law is an integral and necessary part of policing.
Can you explain this a little more? You seem to be critical of ALL police actions but you offer not specific explanations on your broad, generalized statements.
For example, you called the video a few posts up, "BS". What was BS about it? I saw a person walking backwards, ignoring commands with his hands in his waistband/under his shirt. Out of curiosity, what is your line in the sand? Further, what was the cop doing there? Was he called there for a reason? There is a lot missing from that article to make such a judgement don't you think?
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They actually start doing their jobs the right way, instead of pretending that bullying and breaking the law is an integral and necessary part of policing.
That's kind of the point. If cops are just 'bullying and breaking the law' to do their jobs, wouldn't it be better if they just stopped working?
But as another poster pointed out, when they stop doing that, things fall to ####. Which is it?
Can you explain this a little more? You seem to be critical of ALL police actions but you offer not specific explanations on your broad, generalized statements. For example, you called the video a few posts up, "BS". What was BS about it?
I saw a person walking backwards, ignoring commands with his hands in his waistband/under his shirt. Out of curiosity, what is your line in the sand? Further, what was the cop doing there? Was he called there for a reason? There is a lot missing from that article to make such a judgement don't you think?
If you actually were at all interested in making rational judgements, you might look up what I've previously written in the thread, and/or read more about the incident before posting this nonsense. You might actually have watched the video more closely.
It's obvious you did none of these things. I find this somewhat ironic, in light of your comments.
What happens is this:
The officer gets out of his car, walks up to some essentially completely random guy (as they only have very vague information to go on) and pulls out his gun without any kind of warning or suggestion of threat behind the guys back. And starts pointing it at him. (Pointing a gun around in itself is an extremely dangerous thing to do in a populated area and is is enough to get you suspended in many countries). He then starts shouting "get your hands down" at a guy who has his back turned to him, without identifying himself as a police officer.
The guy turns. He has white headphones on, which should be clearly visible from that distance. The officers orders the guy to pull his hands out. The guy turns, and takes maybe 3-4 seconds to pull his hands out (which is not in any way a long reaction time for any person that's suddenly facing a screaming man who is pointing a gun). The officer immediately shoots the guy.
From the first shout it, made behind the guys back, it takes maybe 6 seconds to shoot him. The officer never identified himself. There was no gun. The guy had done nothing. The officer had no real reason to suspect that this particular guy was a guy they were looking for.
Then instead of doing anything to stop the bleeding, which would be an expected part of police training in most countries, he handcuffs the guy and just let's him lie there. Neither police seem to have any competence to handle the situation, they just stand around shocked.
Everything the cop did was stupid, dangerous and incompetent, from the second he got out of the car. This is not really a wonder, as the US police force are laughably undertrained and have use of force regulations that are crazy by standards of any civilized country. They also have a legal system that shrugs at such blatant incompetence and disregard of public safety.
With cops like that it's no wonder people get killed in huge numbers. No sane country would ever let a guy like that have a gun, let alone do policework.
And your counter-argument is "he didn't see his hands."
I hope you don't own a gun.
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For comparison, here's the UK police handling a big, screaming guy with a machete that tries to attack them, has already been pepper sprayed without stopping and seems pretty insane.
Can you explain this a little more? You seem to be critical of ALL police actions but you offer not specific explanations on your broad, generalized statements.
For example, you called the video a few posts up, "BS". What was BS about it? I saw a person walking backwards, ignoring commands with his hands in his waistband/under his shirt. Out of curiosity, what is your line in the sand? Further, what was the cop doing there? Was he called there for a reason? There is a lot missing from that article to make such a judgement don't you think?
I somewhat agree. We don't have a lot of background information and I have to assume this wasn't just a random murder.
Having said that, the man that was killed seemed to be caught totally off guard. He turned around and was probably pretty shocked to see a gun pointed at him. Hard to say how anyone would react in that situation.
The trigger-happy aspect isn't the thing that bothers me the most though. Perceived danger is hard for an outsider to really understand. But there is no denying that the officer didn't seem very interested in saving his life after the fact.
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Looking at the way the US police behave, it's no wonder.
I read that video title as 1990 and was blown away. Then I actually watched the video, realized that it's more killings by US police in one month than UK police in over a century, and it's such a ridiculous stat that it's almost unbelievable
For comparison, here's the UK police handling a big, screaming guy with a machete that tries to attack them, has already been pepper sprayed without stopping and seems pretty insane.
Spoiler alert: nobody dies.
There is also no gun culture in the UK like there is in the US or even here to a lesser extent. Police in the US have to, for their own protection treat every situaion as if the suspect is armed. The police unions are very powerful and to ask them to treat every situation with kid gloves, no matter the risk will never fly. A comparison between policing in the UK and in the USA does not make a valid argument. I'm not saying what is right and what is wrong but they operate in two totaly differetn worlds.
There was a similer situation to this in Lethbridge a couple of years ago when a TFW from Butan was shot by police as "he came at them with a machete". Based on the evidence and witness accounts I picture that situation to be a lot like the one from the UK. The police were cleared and rightfully so.
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Looking at the way the US police behave, it's no wonder.
It's almost like things are different in the UK compared to the US. I wonder if the levels of gun violence between them are different too? Maybe the violent crime rates are slightly different too?
While we're comparing though...
A similar number of US cops were murdered in 2014 as UK cops murdered since 1900.
Put another way, more US cops were killed by criminals in 2014 than people were killed by UK cops since 1900.
Just in the spirit of throwing out stats out of context.
If you actually were at all interested in making rational judgements, you might look up what I've previously written in the thread, and/or read more about the incident before posting this nonsense. You might actually have watched the video more closely.
It's obvious you did none of these things. I find this somewhat ironic, in light of your comments.
What happens is this:
The officer gets out of his car, walks up to some essentially completely random guy (as they only have very vague information to go on) and pulls out his gun without any kind of warning or suggestion of threat behind the guys back. And starts pointing it at him. (Pointing a gun around in itself is an extremely dangerous thing to do in a populated area and is is enough to get you suspended in many countries). He then starts shouting "get your hands down" at a guy who has his back turned to him, without identifying himself as a police officer.
The guy turns. He has white headphones on, which should be clearly visible from that distance. The officers orders the guy to pull his hands out. The guy turns, and takes maybe 3-4 seconds to pull his hands out (which is not in any way a long reaction time for any person that's suddenly facing a screaming man who is pointing a gun). The officer immediately shoots the guy.
From the first shout it, made behind the guys back, it takes maybe 6 seconds to shoot him. The officer never identified himself. There was no gun. The guy had done nothing. The officer had no real reason to suspect that this particular guy was a guy they were looking for.
Then instead of doing anything to stop the bleeding, which would be an expected part of police training in most countries, he handcuffs the guy and just let's him lie there. Neither police seem to have any competence to handle the situation, they just stand around shocked.
Everything the cop did was stupid, dangerous and incompetent, from the second he got out of the car. This is not really a wonder, as the US police force are laughably undertrained and have use of force regulations that are crazy by standards of any civilized country. They also have a legal system that shrugs at such blatant incompetence and disregard of public safety.
With cops like that it's no wonder people get killed in huge numbers. No sane country would ever let a guy like that have a gun, let alone do policework.
And your counter-argument is "he didn't see his hands."
I hope you don't own a gun.
Meh... NVM.
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There is also no gun culture in the UK like there is in the US or even here to a lesser extent. Police in the US have to, for their own protection treat every situaion as if the suspect is armed. The police unions are very powerful and to ask them to treat every situation with kid gloves, no matter the risk will never fly. A comparison between policing in the UK and in the USA does not make a valid argument. I'm not saying what is right and what is wrong but they operate in two totaly differetn worlds.
There was a similer situation to this in Lethbridge a couple of years ago when a TFW from Butan was shot by police as "he came at them with a machete". Based on the evidence and witness accounts I picture that situation to be a lot like the one from the UK. The police were cleared and rightfully so.
Saying it's not a valid argument because the gun culture in the US is so bat **** crazy isn't a valid argument itself.
I seen that Dillon Taylor one yesterday. The cop shoots him twice I think when they kid was reaching for his Ipod.
What got me was that the kid is just drenched in his blood and looks pretty much dead. Instead of helping the kid, the cop handcuffs him and then says "stay with me, stay with me"
The way they act afterwards was like they just went hunting and shot a deer or something.
I saw that Dillon Taylor one yesterday. The cop shot him twice I think when the kid was reaching for his Ipod.
What got me was that the kid is just drenched in his blood and looks pretty much dead. Instead of helping the kid, the cop handcuffs him and then says "stay with me, stay with me"
The way they act afterwards was like they just went hunting and shot a deer or something.
Sounds cold, but the cop has to look after his own safety first, hence restraining the victim. What if he did have a blade/gun tucked in his pants?
While the second link is suspect, it does contain valid information(FBI). Other than that I don't have much to add as I think the lines are drawn, but I am very happy to have Canadian law enforcement over American.
Jesus, that guy is a cop? I wouldn't hire that moron to walk my dog, never mind give him a gun and a position of authority. Why is he only suspended? He obviously can't do his job.
And what is the story with that diveroll? That is what kids who are playing guns do.
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jesus. christ. i was convinced this was fake from that ridiculous dive roll. policing in the united states is reaching terrifying levels of incompetence. cant they find better people and train them a little better than this?
