Honestly, I don't think that has anything to do with it. Sure, he was a bad guy, and I wouldn't want him to live next door, but the cops can't treat anyone that way (the way I believe the evidence that we have points).
Didn't this thread just have an argument about this very tangent, in which folks were concluding that a cop must take a person's history into account when dealing with them, if they know it?
There have been suggestions in here and the media that Freddie Gray was playing "Freddie The Freeloader" on some sort of con job settlement from a lawsuit based on lead paint/lead poisoning.
That lawsuit goes back to when he was a toddler, living in a house full of lead paint. In the 90's. This is Third World stuff. Ugh.
Even at such a young age, his blood contained more than 10 micrograms of lead per deciliter of blood — double the level at which the Center for Disease Control urges additional testing. Three months later, his blood had nearly 30 micrograms. In June 1991, when Gray was 22 months old, his blood carried 37 micrograms.
“Jesus,” Dan Levy, an assistant professor of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins University who has studied the effects of lead poisoning on youths, gasped when told of Gray’s levels. “The fact that Mr. Gray had these high levels of lead in all likelihood affected his ability to think and to self-regulate and profoundly affected his cognitive ability to process information.”
Levy added, “And the real tragedy of lead is that the damage it does is irreparable.”
I was watching the news this morning and the autopsy report might be submitted as early as today.
One of the things that did leak was that was on his injuries was consistant with the bolts inside of the van. Which means he might not have been secured or secured properly, he might have thrown himself into it (consistent with a witness report from another person riding in the van) or he might have been thrown into it.
The problem now is this is all going to go to optics. If there aren't a bunch of arrests and murder charges, the riots are going to pick up again.
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Polak's posts would seem to support your thought(s)...
I'm an ####### cause I don't think discrimination and oppression is solely against black people?
This thread is dumb. You guys aren't even reading my posts.
And none of this has to do with my point which is, How does burning down your next door neighbors convenience store fight oppression and systematic racism?
I'm an ####### cause I don't think discrimination and oppression is solely against black people?
This thread is dumb. You guys aren't even reading my posts.
And none of this has to do with my point which is, How does burning down your next door neighbors convenience store fight oppression and systematic racism?
People treat your posts with derision because you feign that you are seeking knowledge when actually you're just looking to further reinforce your position. Unsurprisingly when met with contradicting evidence, you double down on your rhetoric. This isn't your fault necessarily, but you you could make an effort to escape your loop of faulty logic by incorporating contradicting evidence into your worldview.
Why would you ask questions when you're telling us the answers? It's disingenuous and in this context illustrates a closed mind.
Edit: I agree that UCB is provoking you, but, you can only control yourself.
Polak's posts would seem to support your thought(s)...
Maybe Polak is actually the 'man'. That's pretty deep. Do you know where he lives? We can go and steal some stuff and burn his garage down - not so much for the free stuff, but to pioneer some more change.
Except they seem have skimmed over my posts and accused me of not acknowledging that systematic racism exists. I fully acknowledge it exists I just don't think it's nearly as slanted towards on african americans as you all seem to. I didn't feel like going on a fact hunting mission when the whole point of my post was ignored.
The odds of a typical Black drug offender being sentenced to imprisonment are about 20 percent higher than the odds of a typical White offender, while the odds of a Hispanic drug offender are about 40 percent higher
There's a lot more in there that talks about the hispanic/black/white disparity. The consistent result being that Blacks and Hispanics are both pretty equal in terms of disparity of prison sentencing and chances of being incarcerated for their crime vs. Whites. Without a doubt racism exists. It's not just pointed towards black people.
But that wasn't even my point. If you read my post then you would know that I was say that it's LOW INCOME that is the biggest contributor towards the oppression of people and the consequences of low income doesn't see race. In that article I posted, they talked about two other very important factors in sentencing. College attendance and Dependents. Both of which have massive deltas between those in the lower income class and those of the middle and upper class.
Google "poverty and crime" or "poverty and health" or "poverty and mobility" if you disagree cause I'm not going to go post the hundreds upon hundreds of articles on the issue.
EDIT: Okay, I just reviewed the last couple of pages and now understand that you don't seem to think entrenched systemic inequality is a real thing. Never mind.
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EDIT: Okay, I just reviewed the last couple of pages and now understand that you don't seem to think entrenched systemic inequality is a real thing. Never mind.
Where do you see that?! JESUS.
Read my post. First thing I said was "I fully acknowledge [systematic racism] exists".
#### me people.
Also, what I meant by low income doesn't see race is that the consequences of being in the lower class are the same regardless of race.
Okay, that's my mistake, I must have misunderstood you. Apologies.
I mean, I think your last comment does still oversimplify things but that's a bit clearer.
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Okay, that's my mistake, I must have misunderstood you. Apologies.
I mean, I think your last comment does still oversimplify things but that's a bit clearer.
And that's fair. It's a very complicated issue.
My original intent in posting in this thread wasn't to try and debate low income, race and other factors in discrimination and oppression. I just wanted to point out that I don't believe any of the rioting has to do with "fighting" oppression.
I'm an ####### cause I don't think discrimination and oppression is solely against black people?
This thread is dumb. You guys aren't even reading my posts.
And none of this has to do with my point which is, How does burning down your next door neighbors convenience store fight oppression and systematic racism?
Sorry Polak I didn't mean to single you out as a minority and discriminate against you, marginalizing your views.
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I was watching the news this morning and the autopsy report might be submitted as early as today.
One of the things that did leak was that was on his injuries was consistant with the bolts inside of the van. Which means he might not have been secured or secured properly, he might have thrown himself into it (consistent with a witness report from another person riding in the van) or he might have been thrown into it.
The problem now is this is all going to go to optics. If there aren't a bunch of arrests and murder charges, the riots are going to pick up again.
The witness couldn't see Freddie Gray tho. He was separated from him by a metal wall.
The 4th stop is when the cops said Gray was unresponsive. This is when the other prisoner said he heard Gray thrashed around. Inconsistent story
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Officer Caesar Goodson Jr., 45, who was the driver of a police van that carried Gray through the streets of Baltimore, was charged with second-degree murder, manslaughter, second-degree assault, two vehicular manslaughter charges and misconduct in office. A man who answered the phone at Goodson's home declined to comment and hung up the phone.
Officer William Porter, 25, was charged with involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault and misconduct in office.
Lt. Brian Rice, 41, was charged with involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault and misconduct in office.
Sgt. Alicia White, 30, was charged with involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault and misconduct in office.
Officer Edward Nero, 29, was charged with second-degree assault and misconduct in office.
Officer Garrett Miller, 26, was charged with second-degree assault, misconduct in office and false imprisonment.
If convicted of all charges, Goodson would face up to 63 years in prison. Rice would face up to 30 years and Porter, Nero, Miller and White would face up to 20 years.
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