From what I heard everything was going well with the protest until those punks(students) got out of school and started throwing bricks.
I feel bad for the owners of those business been vandalized and looted. CVS Pharmacy probably a source for some of older people from the community will have to be rebuild for a long time. What do these business do to deserve this crap? Justice for Freddie?? Or a chance to steal or vandalize? I don't think this is going to end well at all for those thugs.
From what I heard everything was going well with the protest until those punks(students) got out of school and started throwing bricks.
I feel bad for the owners of those business been vandalized and looted. CVS Pharmacy probably a source for some of older people from the community will have to be rebuild for a long time. What do these business do to deserve this crap? Justice for Freddie?? Or a chance to steal or vandalize? I don't think this is going to end well at all for those thugs.
When dumb white kids in West Virginia riot over WVU winning or losing a game, it's funny how they aren't "thugs," isn't it? Just dumb kids caught up in the moment.
You have a group of actual protestors, and then you have idiots who are using the chaos to do stupid crap. This is not limited to these "thugs." This happens a lot when you get a large group of people together and add any kind of fuel. For this group it's anger--for dumb college kids it's alcohol and stupidity.
This doesn't change the fact that a man was killed by the police and the police are doing their damnedest to resist telling the public how a man ended up with a severed spine.
Was he a criminal? Sure.
Did he deserve to die? Probably not.
The rioting is unfortunate, but what incited this riot is a theme that is all too prevalent in the US right now. The police in this country need some oversight, and fast. Then perhaps communities will feel like the police are their protectors--not their opponents.
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Nobody got shot. That guy died due to a broken spinal cord. How that happened, or why he was arrested, is a mystery. They haven't explained it.
Some people are going to be pissed off, obviously.
But yeah, we can wave our hands and shake our heads at these goddamn criminals running wild in the streets, and then it's really easy to forget the crime that precipitated this whole thing.
The department suspended 6 officers immediately, they are conducting an investigation that is concluding this week and the info going to the DA. Nothing has been determined at this point and yet, there are riots.
Not sure what crime you are referring to as the precipitating factor here?
When dumb white kids in West Virginia riot over WVU winning or losing a game, it's funny how they aren't "thugs," isn't it? Just dumb kids caught up in the moment.
You have a group of actual protestors, and then you have idiots who are using the chaos to do stupid crap. This is not limited to these "thugs." This happens a lot when you get a large group of people together and add any kind of fuel. For this group it's anger--for dumb college kids it's alcohol and stupidity.
This doesn't change the fact that a man was killed by the police and the police are doing their damnedest to resist telling the public how a man ended up with a severed spine.
Was he a criminal? Sure.
Did he deserve to die? Probably not.
The rioting is unfortunate, but what incited this riot is a theme that is all too prevalent in the US right now. The police in this country need some oversight, and fast. Then perhaps communities will feel like the police are their protectors--not their opponents.
Of course they are.
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When dumb white kids in West Virginia riot over WVU winning or losing a game, it's funny how they aren't "thugs," isn't it? Just dumb kids caught up in the moment.
You have a group of actual protestors, and then you have idiots who are using the chaos to do stupid crap. This is not limited to these "thugs." This happens a lot when you get a large group of people together and add any kind of fuel. For this group it's anger--for dumb college kids it's alcohol and stupidity.
Yes...they are ALL thugs. Not sure why you have such a freaking problem with that label...its entirely appropriate in this case as well.
I watched that press conference earlier tonight with the mayor, the chief of patrol, a councilman and a city activist Each and every one of them used the exact same term multiple times.
They are looting (stealing), burning down their city, lighting cars on fire everywhere,...it's a godamn war zone in spots....all brought on by thugs.
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But no, by all means, I'm sure Baltimore police aren't abusing their power at all. I'm sure that even amidst these protests, they're just doing their job as upstanding officers of the law, they couldn't possibly be exacerbating the situation. Nope, police are our friends, and this whole thing is just a bunch of idiots overreacting to a single case where just maybe the police went a little bit too far.
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Victims include a 15-year-old boy riding a dirt bike, a 26-year-old pregnant accountant who had witnessed a beating, a 50-year-old woman selling church raffle tickets, a 65-year-old church deacon rolling a cigarette and an 87-year-old grandmother aiding her wounded grandson. Those cases detail a frightful human toll. Officers have battered dozens of residents who suffered broken bones — jaws, noses, arms, legs, ankles — head trauma, organ failure, and even death, coming during questionable arrests. Some residents were beaten while handcuffed; others were thrown to the pavement.
$5.7 million dollars in settlements for abuse of force in only four years.
If you're regularly on the receiving end of this kind of violence--doesn't it make sense to eventually lash out in kind?
Because here's the thing: calling your congressman, writing your representative, etc--it doesn't get attention. No one cares. Corruption reigns.
If you riot--at the very least, people sit up and take notice.
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Yes...they are ALL thugs. Not sure why you have such a freaking problem with that label...its entirely appropriate in this case as well.
I watched that press conference earlier tonight with the mayor, the chief of patrol, a councilman and a city activist Each and every one of them used the exact same term multiple times.
They are looting (stealing), burning down their city, lighting cars on fire everywhere,...it's a godamn war zone in spots....all brought on by thugs.
Find me one single case where someone referred to the Vancouver rioters as "thugs." Find me one single case where morons rioting over a sporting event were called "thugs."
"Thug" is reserved for one specific kind of rioter.
"Thug" is just racial slur light at this point.
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Find me one single case where someone referred to the Vancouver rioters as "thugs." Find me one single case where morons rioting over a sporting event were called "thugs."
"Thug" is reserved for one specific kind of rioter.
"Thug" is just racial slur light at this point.
You are so focussed on the race aspect of this stuff, you cant see what is actually going on.
Just an FYI to that presser earlier tonight...all the people I mentioned using thug? Were black.
As for your other request...
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Vancouver police say the wanton rioting and looting that broke out in the aftermath of the Canucks' Game 7 loss in the Stanley Cup final was caused by a small contingent of "criminals, anarchists and thugs."
That doesn’t excuse what happened in Vancouver, but it does indicate that more must be done to anticipate — and short-circuit — alcohol and testosterone-fuelled thugs rioting after sports games, in whatever city they’re found.
You are so focussed on the race aspect of this stuff, you cant see what is actually going on.
Well get used to it, as race is a wee bit of an issue down there, and you seem to always want to shuffle away from the fact that it's an issue in every race related thread.
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Well get used to it, as race is a wee bit of an issue down there, and you seem to always want to shuffle away from the fact that it's an issue in every race related thread.
Im more aware of the problem than most as I lived "down there" for 11 years.
Doesn't take away from the fact that thugs/criminals are in fact the ones responsible for the rioting. They don't give a damn about the actual issue in most cases as if they did, and particularly in Baltimore, they would have heeded the family of the man that this is all about. They asked/pleaded that there not even be protests tonight, nevermind rioting. They don't want there son/brothers name associated with the complete disdain for civilized behaviour we are seeing.
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You are so focussed on the race aspect of this stuff, you cant see what is actually going on.
Point noted on the other examples, but I stand by my point that the term has--especially in recent months/years--taken on a distinctly racist tone. i.e. when Richard Sherman, a college educated professional athlete, is referred to as a "thug." Pretty sure he wasn't rioting or throwing bricks through store windows. You want to tell me that's not racist in nature? Perhaps in this specific case "thug" is acceptable--but people are turning it into a way around using the n-word.
And if you hadn't noticed--race conflict remains a gigantic problem in this country. From California to Maryland and from Minnesota to Florida. Everywhere race is an issue. This country has more incarcerated black men than were slaves before the Civil War, this country has a "War on Drugs" that explicitly targets minorities. This country gentrifies and gerrymanders minorities into communities and then drains all of the resources out of said communities, and then is shocked when those communities lash out after their residents watch their friends and families unfairly targeted by the men and women who are supposed to "serve and protect" them.
Stop acting as if people are playing a "race card."
Maybe people will stop pulling the "race card" when those in power stop being racist.
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Thug is just a term for low-life criminals. I don't understand how people think it's a racial term. The image that comes to mind from me is more along the line of 1930s gangster henchmen.
That's OT though...
As far as the riots go, as much as I know there are going to be innocent people caught in the middle and wrongfully victimized, after seeing video after video of police abusing their power (and usually at the expense of minorities and poor people), part of me can't help but want to see a reckoning of some kind. It's not right, but I can't blame them for being so angry.
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When the Bloods and the Crips and every bad person in your city team up to say they're going to take down white cops, you know it's going to be a bad night.
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Police scanner saying there might be a lion loose...wtf
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Point noted on the other examples, but I stand by my point that the term has--especially in recent months/years--taken on a distinctly racist tone. i.e. when Richard Sherman, a college educated professional athlete, is referred to as a "thug." Pretty sure he wasn't rioting or throwing bricks through store windows. You want to tell me that's not racist in nature? Perhaps in this specific case "thug" is acceptable--but people are turning it into a way around using the n-word.
And if you hadn't noticed--race conflict remains a gigantic problem in this country. From California to Maryland and from Minnesota to Florida. Everywhere race is an issue. This country has more incarcerated black men than were slaves before the Civil War, this country has a "War on Drugs" that explicitly targets minorities. This country gentrifies and gerrymanders minorities into communities and then drains all of the resources out of said communities, and then is shocked when those communities lash out after their residents watch their friends and families unfairly targeted by the men and women who are supposed to "serve and protect" them.
Stop acting as if people are playing a "race card."
Maybe people will stop pulling the "race card" when those in power stop being racist.
I have no idea when or why anyone called Sherman a thug..if they did they were using it incorrectly.
As for race conflict...I never said there wasn't any....pretty obvious there is.
It has NO bearing however on the fact that burning down a city will not effect change because those doing the criminal acts are not the ones who will persue said changes. Peaceful protests will go eons and eons further than this lawlessness will ever hope to.
Just in Baltimore...
The Mayor, the police Commisioner, the patrol chief, councillors, activists...all on TV just this evening...are all black. They are the ones "in power" as you put it, and they are not going to be any more active to affect change when they see what we are witnessing on their watch.
Common sense dictates that burning down your local pharmacies, looting your mall and dozens of other local small businesses, burning schools...is only going to HURT your community more than it will ever help. I mean...how long til these resources are replaced? Years? Maybe never?
Well done.
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Common sense dictates that burning down your local pharmacies, looting your mall and dozens of other local small businesses, burning schools...is only going to HURT your community more than it will ever help. I mean...how long til these resources are replaced? Years? Maybe never?
Well done.
The riots in LA in 1992 created massive, huge, sweeping change in the LAPD. It actually changed the demographics of the city as well. In all honesty, the LAPD is nothing like it was before the riots. South Central is nothing like it was before. It was actually a very useful and necessary event though sadly very tragic. And sadly not a transferable lesson.
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