That actually does sound like a plain and honest (and lethal) eff up.
I don't doubt that shooting him was accidental, their actions afterward are the problem. He says, "I'm losing my breath" and they say "STFU, eff you, you ran" pinning his head to the street as if to say "meh, we just shot him for no reason... but it's okay because he ran".
That actually does sound like a plain and honest (and lethal) eff up.
Yeah, it sounds like a mistake. But the officer that shot him was 73!?! Seriously, 73 year olds are being handed loaded weapons and are fighting crime. It was only a matter of time until one would go for the taser and pull the gun instead.
For that matter, why was he even going for a taser at that point? The guy was already caught.
Tasers may have been the worst thing invented because it seems like every cop is just itching to use them.
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Excellent Taser usage, IMO, is for those guys who can easily turn 5 cops into bowling pins. And then the difference with Canadian police... in a mom voice, "why don't you just listen, it was that simple?"
Running does not mean you should fire. Lethal force needs to be applied against dangerous criminals. Not just because they are resisting.
The Vancouver one I get. He stabbed three people. These others... all years these others...
Loitering? Traffic stops? A spade is a spade. Too many warrior cops in the states. Period. They are high on their power and have mixed in a healthy dose of racism. Every single unit in America needs to be retrained.
I'm not even joking on this. It's disgusting. It's police state. In blue and red states.
Excellent Taser usage, IMO, is for those guys who can easily turn 5 cops into bowling pins. And then the difference with Canadian police... in a mom voice, "why don't you just listen, it was that simple?"
The cops tell the guy to stop filming and then say... "I'm not a big fan of being video taped". It would have been interesting if the guy had refused and kept filming. Kind of worrisome that they would have a problem with it.
I can understand why cops hate being filmed - especially the vets. Not because they have anything to hide but because it's still a relatively new phenomenon for them and I'm not sure they know how to handle it yet. Are police forces actively teaching cops how to respond to being filmed?
I can't imagine trying to do my job under high stress circumstances, knowing every move is being scrutinized and that the footage can and often is edited to look as damning as possible. Christ - I hate it when my boss stands behind at my desk while I navigate a damn spreadsheet.
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I can understand why cops hate being filmed - especially the vets. Not because they have anything to hide but because it's still a relatively new phenomenon for them and I'm not sure they know how to handle it yet. Are police forces actively teaching cops how to respond to being filmed?
I can't imagine trying to do my job under high stress circumstances, knowing every move is being scrutinized and that the footage can and often is edited to look as damning as possible. Christ - I hate it when my boss stands behind at my desk while I navigate a damn spreadsheet.
Teaching cops how to respond? You mean like, there's no law against filming in public so make up some bullsh't about obstructing justice or causing a disturbance, take the camera as evidence, drop the charges, chuck the camera in the garbage?
Obstructing justice is an offence under the Criminal Code, so it's ultimately up to a judge or a jury what obstructing justice is," explains Fraser. "You have to actually intend to obstruct —not just be on the sidelines, but actively interfere.
The problem is that very often people are arrested for it, their cameras are taken away and then the charges are dismissed. So 'obstructing justice' is often used as an intimidation tactic. It's a significant abuse of authority"
The cops tell the guy to stop filming and then say... "I'm not a big fan of being video taped". It would have been interesting if the guy had refused and kept filming. Kind of worrisome that they would have a problem with it.
Meh, I'm a pretty big supporter of civil rights and police oversight, but I don't see the problem there. They let the guy film the key part of what happened, and then ask, quite politely, if he could stop.
Everybody has the right to ASK someone to stop filming.
Most people are more or less uncomfortable being filmed like that.
Meh, I'm a pretty big supporter of civil rights and police oversight, but I don't see the problem there. They let the guy film the key part of what happened, and then ask, quite politely, if he could stop.
Everybody has the right to ASK someone to stop filming.
Most people are more or less uncomfortable being filmed like that.
Anyone can ASK you to give up a charter right? What do you think would have happened if the guy said no?
Anyone can ASK you to give up a charter right? What do you think would have happened if the guy said no?
Its no different than if some guy was on the bus filming you, and you asked the guy to stop. It's not like the cop ran up to the guy and smacked the phone from him. He just asked if he could stop filming now that he's got all he needed. Not sure why there would be a problem with that.
Really simple question...what do you think the cop would have done if the guy said no?
First of all, this is pure speculation. You can't accuse people of doing things that never happened.
They had let the guy film them for a good while there before asking him to stop. They clearly had nothing to hide and were the kind of cops that were willing to give quite a long leash to a person they came to arrest before getting physical. I'm relatively sure they would have done nothing.
(It's IMO actually pretty unlikely that none of the cops noticed that the guy kept shooting in secret for a bit.)
I get that many people are intimidated by the police, so a policeman asking you to do something is NOT the same as just somebody asking you to do something, even if there would be no legal difference.
However, the police have rights too. You can't take away their right to ask things of people just because people have a tendency to take those requests as orders.
I don't know, Itse. It sounds to me that by saying it's ok for a police officer to make a request, you're encouraging this spiral into a police state, and OMG!WTF!'s freedom to ask irrelevant hyperbolic questions. Maaaaaaaan.
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Though this whole thread seems to go in tangent, I truly believe that a large portion of the cultural difference between police here and in the US is based on applicant screening and training. A prime example of this is the taser/firearm mix up. I can almost guarantee that he had both weapons on his dominant side and mixed them up in the heat of the moment. This is why any reputable police force should teach having a cross draw for the taser, an exaggerated action to distinguish the difference.
Secondly, in regards to taking video, I think its often seen as the "boogeyman" because you'll get filmed a hundred times which are totally fine but you'll only see the one that looks bad go viral. There's no issue in asking the person to stop but personally, obviously don't expect the personally comply. However, if they captured any part of the offense or can be used as evidence, the grounds are there to seize the phone for evidence without warrant as it is in plain view. Obviously it can be a powderkeg at that point and just another thing to set the situation off and have people questioning even more.
Finally, any use of force looks bad. No one likes seeing someone else having to use brute force and people have this natural reaction of being disgusted by it. However, there are times its warranted, necessary, and absolutely required in the context of the situation. Unfortunately, these videos can often lack or skew the context. I'm not saying in any of these particular videos posted recently, but more of a global thought.
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