[Rumour] Flames scouting Kerby Rychel?

[saXon]

Originally Posted by _Q_

His playing style reminds me a bit of Iginla.

No one's play in the NHL at this moment reminds me of Iginla (of old).

[polak]

Trade some assets while their value is still high? If the season continues like this we're not going to get anything of value for pretty much anyone on the team not named Bennett, Monahan or Gaudreau.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Was just going to ask. I mean, I've heard Rychel rumours since late spring.

Why has the team been shopping him in particular so hard?

His numbers are progressing very well since he was drafted. What does Columbus see or not see?

They're trying to fill a need (defence) from a position of strength (young forwards with size). They're not looking for a 5-6 d-man, they're looking for a young 3-4. And they're realistic enough to know that they'll have to give up a quality asset to get one back.

I don't see a fit with the Flames. Russell isn't a long-term solution for the Jackets. Hickey is probably closest to what they're looking for, but they can't wait a season or two.

[albertGQ]

I think Russell is overrated. So I would definately do a Russell+ to get Rychel.

He blocks a lot of shots because he's in the defensive zone too much.

Shots blocked is starting to become like PIMs.
People see a high number and think its a good thing.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

They're trying to fill a need (defence) from a position of strength (young forwards with size). They're not looking for a 5-6 d-man, they're looking for a young 3-4. And they're realistic enough to know that they'll have to give up a quality asset to get one back.

I don't see a fit with the Flames. Russell isn't a long-term solution for the Jackets. Hickey is probably closest to what they're looking for, but they can't wait a season or two.

If there is going to be a fit it will have to be an expanded deal to balance out the parts. Without going NHL 2015 on everyone, something along the lines of Wideman/Jankowski for Atkinson/Rychel. Columbus gets a top six d for now and a prospect to offset the loss of Rychel. We get a rh shot to play in our top 9 for two seasons after this one and get the upgrade on the prospect. Not sure if this would get it done but if a deal is going to get done it has to involve a few more parts.

Columbus is desperate and they stockpiled picks a few years back so that they could have assets to improve the team at a later date. They need to show the fans last year was not an abberation and they will continue to contend.

[ClubFlames]

If the Flames do in fact acquire Rychel then we would have 4 first round picks from the 2013 draft. Also, I think Rychel and Sieloff are bffs - I vaguely remember Sieloff came with Rychel to the 2013 draft.

[polak]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

I think Russell is overrated. So I would definately do a Russell+ to get Rychel.

He blocks a lot of shots because he's in the defensive zone too much.

Shots blocked is starting to become like PIMs.
People see a high number and think its a good thing.

What???

It IS a good thing. Those are shots that do not end up on goal. They're nothing like PIM. There are zero positives from PIM. There are zero negatives from blocked shots.

I agree that Russell has become a bit over rated as when he's not blocking shots he seems like he's too small to control the defensive zone, but his shot blocking is still a positive quality.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I agree. I think that's a fair price from the Flames side. At this point, Wotherspoon looks 50/50 to be a top 4 d man. He has just as likely a chance to be a bottom 6 d man.

What's the difference between a top 6 d-man and a bottom 6 d-man when usually only 6 d-men are playing at any given time?

[IgiTang]

I don't understand how Rychel helps the Flames this season? It may be great for Stockton, but to trade for him and throw him on the Flames goes against the "never given always earned" mantra.

Add to that, giving up one of our top 4 D+?

If that's the case, start dealing vets for picks and prospects and aim for Matthews now. Get the kids up and rotate them for some NHL experience and start prepping for next season.

We need young bodies with some NHL experience or at least proven they are ready.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by polak

What???

It IS a good thing. Those are shots that do not end up on goal. They're nothing like PIM. There are zero positives from PIM. There are zero negatives from blocked shots.

I agree that Russell has become a bit over rated as when he's not blocking shots he seems like he's too small to control the defensive zone, but his shot blocking is still a positive quality.

Kent Wilson does a good job summarizing blocked shots.

@Kent_Wilson
Blocking shots is like killing rats. Doing it is preferable to not, but if you’re doing it all the time it suggests you have bigger problems

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by polak

What???

It IS a good thing. Those are shots that do not end up on goal. They're nothing like PIM. There are zero positives from PIM. There are zero negatives from blocked shots.

I agree that Russell has become a bit over rated as when he's not blocking shots he seems like he's too small to control the defensive zone, but his shot blocking is still a positive quality.

I'd rather the puck be in the offensive zone.

[adc]

Hopefully the Flames are looking at moves that make them better able to compete for the Stanley Cup not only if it makes them better his year or not.

Isn't it possible he earned it with his good play in other places or is the only way to "earn" your way onto the Flames is to toil away in the the AHL first? (Ignoring the fact I missed anyone saying that he should go right to the Flames)

With the lack of size amongst the forwards and guys like Ferland and Jooris struggling ofensively and Bouma and Colborne with injury concerns Rychel gives the Flames an option to bring in some size/grit and offensive ability.

[Strange Brew]

The slow start has been a bit of a wake up call for me. I don't think the Flames are serious contenders for another two years once some of the bad contracts come off and they can add another big contract for a top player. So trading for a top prospect right now makes sense to me. Russel and Wotherspoon would be a steal IMO.

In the interim, no more long term contracts please unless it is for one of our young stars.

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Kent Wilson does a good job summarizing blocked shots.

@Kent_Wilson
Blocking shots is like killing rats. Doing it is preferable to not, but if you’re doing it all the time it suggests you have bigger problems

My argument would be that the "bigger problems" with Russell is the fact that his partner often gets himself caught up-ice, forcing Russell to stay at home more. If anything, Russell should be the more offensive of any D-pairing, but he's had to fill the defensive role more because Wideman is naturally offensive-minded.

While everyone on the team's had struggles to some extent so far this season, I still think Russell's more valuable to this team than Wideman.

[DoubleF]

With another LW, how would Rychel fit? Bollig expires, Rychel 2/3rd line with Ferland and Bouma on 4th line? Based on the clips I have seen, Rychel doesn't throw the body like Ferland does, but the passing and shots is easily better.

I don't know why, but I'm suddenly reminded of Bertuzzi.

[Split98]

If we are making a trade for Rychel, I sure hope this involves some of next years salary going the other way. Russell, a UFA, is a piece we can deal with when it comes (let go for nothing, or sign for what's left). What we need is relief of what we have.

Wideman, Smid, and Engelland are a part of any deal I'd hope.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I don't understand how Rychel helps the Flames this season? It may be great for Stockton, but to trade for him and throw him on the Flames goes against the "never given always earned" mantra.

Add to that, giving up one of our top 4 D+?

If that's the case, start dealing vets for picks and prospects and aim for Matthews now. Get the kids up and rotate them for some NHL experience and start prepping for next season.

We need young bodies with some NHL experience or at least proven they are ready.

The Flames are still rebuilding. That means they should still be looking at deals through the lens of how it improves the team in the long-term, not this season.

Originally Posted by Split98

If we are making a trade for Rychel, I sure hope this involves some of next years salary going the other way. Russell, a UFA, is a piece we can deal with when it comes (let go for nothing, or sign for what's left). What we need is relief of what we have.

Wideman, Smid, and Engelland are a part of any deal I'd hope.

The problem is the Jackets are tight up against the cap. If Russell or Wideman are going to Columbus, contract will be coming back. Another reason why it would be a tricky deal to make.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The problem is the Jackets are tight up against the cap. If Russell or Wideman are going to Columbus, contract will be coming back. Another reason why it would be a tricky deal to make.

This is true, totally forgot that team was against it. Oy...

They DO (apparently) have $3,456,906 free... so they could at least take most of Wideman and send us back $2.5-3M

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

What's the difference between a top 6 d-man and a bottom 6 d-man when usually only 6 d-men are playing at any given time?

Sorry, I meant bottom pairing dman vs. 2nd pairing.

[sureLoss]

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