Ring Road To Nowhere

[psicodude]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

If they ever extend 130th east of 52nd Street, they might, but with 52nd being twinned down there, it is only a very short hop to 114th to get on the ring road.

Yeah, and how do you get 130th through the landfill? Assuming, of course, it will still be there for another 20 years.

The original plan left room for the C-train to eventually go down 22X. I hope this is still the case.

[Resolute 14]

It is. If you walk down 52nd south of 130th, there is a large open field between the road and the condos with signs marking it as the ROW for a future LRT line.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by psicodude

Yeah, and how do you get 130th through the landfill? Assuming, of course, it will still be there for another 20 years.

The original plan left room for the C-train to eventually go down 22X. I hope this is still the case.

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

It is. If you walk down 52nd south of 130th, there is a large open field between the road and the condos with signs marking it as the ROW for a future LRT line.

I think you are talking about different things. The SE LRT has a ROW along 52nd Street, that will cross over HWY 22x.

There was a ROW reserved for a future line that would go east/west along 162nd Ave in the West and along 22x in the East. I believe that is no longer the plan (but the ROW is still there). I believe that they moved the future E/W ROW south to 196th Ave. I could be wrong.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by Jayems

I am so sad they're not putting an interchange at 130th.

Why?

Calgary's design plan of having a massive interchange at every single possible cross street is the reason Deerfoot Trail is a giant bag of dicks.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Madman

Calgary's design plan of having a massive interchange at every single possible cross street is the reason Deerfoot Trail is a giant bag of dicks.

Really? I thought the reasons for that were poor signage, following the curvers of a river, bottlenecks, and drivers who don't know how to use on-ramps/off-ramps/weaves properly (i.e. Northbound between Anderson and Southland).

[Madman]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

I think you are talking about different things. The SE LRT has a ROW along 52nd Street, that will cross over HWY 22x.

There was a ROW reserved for a future line that would go east/west along 162nd Ave in the West and along 22x in the East. I believe that is no longer the plan (but the ROW is still there). I believe that they moved the future E/W ROW south to 196th Ave. I could be wrong.

The big ROW that ran East from Macleod along 22X was not just a TUC, but there is a very large high pressure gas line that runs along there as well.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by SebC

Really? I thought the reasons for that were poor signage, following the curvers of a river, bottlenecks, and drivers who don't know how to use on-ramps/off-ramps/weaves properly (i.e. Northbound between Anderson and Southland).

Really? So having an interchange at Southland, Anderson and Bow Bottom was a good plan?

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Madman

Why?

Calgary's design plan of having a massive interchange at every single possible cross street is the reason Deerfoot Trail is a giant bag of dicks.

Strictly selfish reasons. I had heard rumblings that McIvor was going to hook up with 130th and that would extend out to the ring road.

As for the dump, I had assumed the road would travel around it to the south.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by SebC

Really? I thought the reasons for that were poor signage, following the curvers of a river, bottlenecks, and drivers who don't know how to use on-ramps/off-ramps/weaves properly (i.e. Northbound between Anderson and Southland).

I went to a Provincial planning open house once. It was supposed to be for the proposed bridge for Deerfoot to widen it at Glenmore, but the topic move to the Ring Road.

The provincial engineer said that Deerfoot's interchanges are about 1 mile apart; which in the 70's was fine for a city of 500K and the traffic that would use it. They wanted to make sure that with the Ring Road there were not as many interchanges, so that traffic could flow that much better.

[V]

Originally Posted by SebC

Really? I thought the reasons for that were poor signage, following the curvers of a river, bottlenecks, and drivers who don't know how to use on-ramps/off-ramps/weaves properly (i.e. Northbound between Anderson and Southland).

The greatest reason for bottlenecks on the Deerfoot is the ridiculously short distance between interchanges. Blackfoot/Memorial is a perfect example. People merging on and off at the same time is a horrible idea.

[Tyler]

What's a 'ROW'?

[Madman]

Originally Posted by Tyler

What's a 'ROW'?

Right Of Way

[ken0042]

I just looked at one of the maps, how do I get from southbound 52nd onto 22X? (East or West)
http://www.transportation.alberta.ca.../P-3247-59.pdf

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Madman

Why?

Calgary's design plan of having a massive interchange at every single possible cross street is the reason Deerfoot Trail is a giant bag of dicks.

People from the north will be familiar with the giant bag of dicks spilled all over northbound Deerfoot between McKnight and 64th.

Ever wonder why it gets so slow for no obvious reason there? Because the merge lane from McKnight ends about 30m before the 64th off-ramp starts and the right lane gets overloaded with cars entering and exiting and horrible weave.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I just looked at one of the maps, how do I get from southbound 52nd onto 22X? (East or West)
http://www.transportation.alberta.ca.../P-3247-59.pdf

travelling south, both exits are out of the left lane. To go Westbound, you turn onto that cloverleaf ramp. To go eastbound, you turn left after the bridge.

[Camronius]

Originally Posted by V

The greatest reason for bottlenecks on the Deerfoot is the ridiculously short distance between interchanges. Blackfoot/Memorial is a perfect example. People merging on and off at the same time is a horrible idea.

Even worse is having a 3 lane highway shorten to 2 lane. Happens twice, once at anderson and once at glenmore..... Nothing makes me angrier than this.

[Resolute 14]

Yeah, Deerfoot at Southland/Anderson has multiple screwups all contributing to the mess. You have a three lane road in with a two lane merge from Southland feeding into two thru lanes all in a ridiculously short weave lane. What pisses me off about this is that they redesigned the exit to Southland because of the mall, but failed to fix the merge onto Deerfoot from there. The merge from Southland should fly over the exit onto Anderson.

I don't even bother with it. It is faster to take Glenmore to Shepard road to Barlow then merge back onto Deerfoot approaching 130th.

I'm glad they are starting the Glenmore/Deerfoot upgrade this year, but that wont solve a damn thing until they fix Deerfoot at Anderson.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Madman

Really? So having an interchange at Southland, Anderson and Bow Bottom was a good plan?

The issue there isn't the proximity of the interchanges, it's the bottleneck. You've got 3 lanes of Deerfoot, 2 lanes of Bow Bottom and 2 lanes of Anderson converging into 3 lanes of Deerfoot. Bow Bottom and Anderson tend to merge okay, and Deerfoot is reduced to 2 lanes before getting mixed with Anderson, but that still means you've got 4 lanes going down to 3. It works a lot better going South because it's not a bottleneck. Proximity to Southland only causes a problem because everyone tries to make their lane change in the first 20 meters.

But yeah, I think all of Southland, Anderson, and Bow Bottom should intersect Deerfoot. Cutting one of them off would just create big detours and bottlenecks elsewhere.

[Resolute 14]

^ I should clarify that my comment is the southbound issue, which yes, is a bottleneck too.

The new bridge at Glenmore can completely eliminate the northbound bottleneck if the province is smart enough to pave a third lane all the way through from the Anderson exit.

[frinkprof]

Originally Posted by psicodude

Yeah, and how do you get 130th through the landfill? Assuming, of course, it will still be there for another 20 years.

The original plan left room for the C-train to eventually go down 22X. I hope this is still the case.

I very much doubt LRT will be built down 22X heading east. This plan has pretty much fallen by the wayside in favour of the southeast having its own line connecting to downtown. The South line is already over capacity and it wouldn't be good to have this extra line feeding into it. The south line itself will be extended south of 22X. The following network plan shows it (grey is the ring road).


http://www.calgarytransit.com/pdf/ct...twork_plan.pdf

The reserved Right of Way down 162nd Ave. heading west that You Need a Thneed mentions I could see being used. If not by LRT, then a lower-capacity tram line. Not likely until will after the subdivisions west of Bridlewood and Evergreen are built out though.

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